Eureka Vote

[Reynhart]

I did not say 70% absolute hated it, I said 70% dislike it in some way.

You're the only one who interpret "Meh, it's okay" as clearly dislike it in some way. The fun part is that you also call people who like it out with all the "content we lost", even though both ARR and HW didn't have that much more content to begin with, and Yoshida clearly said that ARR gave too much content in the first place. So like another thread, you're just assuming we missed some really good content out of nowhere.

Did you also blame Rival Wings and Ultimate Coil for "how much content we lost" ?

You have a bias against me, it is pretty clear

I have a bias against people that can't properly defend their point, and you're just doing it all the time...claiming hypothetic loses, counting likes to make it sound like you're obviously right, calling those who disagree whiteknights, the list goes on...

[Tridus]

Its why you can't trust the forums, the majority of talk is from a minority of players.

@OP, try posting this to Reddit as well, you might get more hits that way.

It's also why you can't trust online polls. The poll tells you the opinion of people who voted in the poll and nothing else, which is an even smaller minority of players than the people who read the forums (itself a minority of players).

A statistically valid poll requires a sampling methodology that's entirely absent here.

[ChocoFeru]

Its why you can't trust the forums, the majority of talk is from a minority of players.

Yep, that's true. The negativity comes from few players that try REALLY HARD and posts a lot, making lot of noise. I mean, look at all these negativity threads, some doesn't even make any sense.

So only a 30% hate Eureka, while the rest loves it/think it's ok. That's the truth about it. JP polls are really similar: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._about_eureka/



It's not perfect yet, but it's a nice start. We got a lot of positive stuff from Eureka:
People sharing what they find, fear of death, people interacting with each other to form/reform a party inside Eureka, new ways to level up, poppable NMs, NMs with mechanics...

I've got to play with friends again outside of raiding content, and we had lots of fun, and we keep playing still.


I can't wait for the next Eureka map, and hope they improve it and put more stuff to do!

[Reinha]

So only a 30% hate Eureka, while the rest loves it/think it's ok. That's the truth about it.

Only 30% like Eureka, the rest refuse to say they like this content. The results can be interpreted both ways, but IMO it doesn't make sense to bring our biases into the mix. There were 3 options to choose from, not 2.

[Divinemights]

Only 30% like Eureka, the rest refuse to say they like this content. The results can be interpreted both ways, but IMO it doesn't make sense to bring our biases into the mix. There were 3 options to choose from, not 2.

What haters has been claiming since the beginning?
They said "the community" hates it; but vote result is showing other wise.
Also, according to JP poll about Eurkea, it is overwhelming over 50% that likes it
These haters do not speak for the FF14 community

[Vstarstruck]

Twist again, you'll find juice...

Are you new to this game or something? We got relic quest way late, we had an extreme dry period 2 months before sigma, i never said anything about it being confirmed 4.1, STOP putting words in my mouth, stop twisting them for your own personal biases.

It's not perfect yet, but it's a nice start.

If it was 4.1 I would agree with you. However with all the resource hogging plus being release in 4.25, very late to have relic, what we got is an unacceptable start. It shouldn't start off with the bugs we had for it, and it should had more content. All these delays for nothing and why exactly?

What haters has been claiming since the beginning?
They said "the community" hates it; but vote result is showing other wise.
Also, according to JP poll about Eurkea, it is overwhelming over 50% that likes it
These haters do not speak for the FF14 community

The poll says you are wrong though, even if you go by jp likes, 50% = you are on probation getting close to being expelled. (it is called being put on academic probation) It is clear this content is poor. Having such a low approval rating after that much delay is not an achievement.

Again, this statement is flat out wrong. You are literally taking interviews and even Live Letters out of context and mixing personal feelings in over facts. The odd number patch notes alone prove their original statement.

4.1 & 4.1xs
- 24man Raid
- The Drowned City of Skalla
- Shinryu EX
- Unending Coil of Bahamut (Ultimate)
- Perform added
- Rival Wings
- Hildy Quests
- Kojin Quests
- M'Naago Deliveries
- Hidden Canals
- Command Missions
- Housing: 12 Kugane wards, new relocation and storage system
- Laundry List of QoLs / Adjustments



Thank you for proving the poll completely useless beyond folks definitions of "meh".

Did you play the 2 months before sigma got released? does not sound like it. You clearly missed my point with this kind of reply.

Anima Weapons are the level 60 Relic Weapons for Heavensward. Released in patch 3.15, players do not need to complete the level 50 Relic Weapon or Zodiac Weapon quest chains to unlock the Anima Weapon quest chain. Players who have obtained the Zodiac Zeta Weapons will have an advantage with the first step of Anima Weapon quest chain. The advantages are not job specific. For example, if you have obtained the WAR Zeta weapon you will have an advantage with the DRK anima weapon.

how long was hw out when 3.15 came? what did hw get before the second series of raids? or 2.0?

Nope and nope. If people disliked Eureka, they would just press the "I hate it".
"Meh" means they just accept it. It's not their fav content, but they play it.

You can twist it as many times as you want, but you can't change the fact.


Insults? Oh, how fast you felt offended when you can't provide facts. There's not a single insult on my posts, and I bet you can't even point a single one, unless you keep using the same strategy twisting over and over again the facts and our words.

The fact is; we will have more Eureka in the future, they'll improve it, and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

Have fun, gotta do more Eurekas today

No saying "meh means you are accepting there are some problems with it. If you can't admit you like something you are either doing it because you are forcing yourself while not hating it, or you are simply tolerating it. Oh look I can post on the forums while playing the boring content with my SO because fate trains takes that much focus.

"Meh" means: Lack of interest or enthusiasm/Boredom/Indifference. It's the equivalent of a verbal shrug.
"Ok" is generally used to denote acceptance/agreement/adequacy of some form.

It's the latter that tilts the overall connotation towards the positive. Meh alone carries a slightly negative connotation.

That's why the option is fairly useless. It doesn't say anything. Someone who goes:"It's not my cup of tea, so I don't do it, but I don't really have strong feelings about it." would probably not pick "I hate it", because that's way too strong a word for the sentiment. He'd pick "Meh", to resemble the indifference about the contents existence.

As such, you can't even infer from it that people play it. Heck, even people that hate it might play it for the rewards (and some people might hate it solely because they have to play it to get the rewards and would be "Meh" about it if they didn't). It's just a flaw in the poll.

+1

Just the way of the modern day world, sadly.

Anyway, I voted "Meh." I hated Eureka at first but it has grown on me throughout the week. DEFINITELY room for improvement though. I don't think anyone is bold enough to claim that it's absolutely perfect the way it is, nor should anyone claim it's the absolute worst thing to ever exist.

With the delays? how much we lost content wise in SB while SE admitting it? that it is why the bold should be considered. If standalone and released sooner yeah I def agree with you, but under this situation, I can't help and wonder if that bold is really true or not.

You can tolerate something, meaning you can dislike it but bear with it. That's apparently a very rare word for people to use/understand. "Meh, it's ok" would fall on the concept of tolerance, easily. Does that mean people hate it? Maybe, to varying degrees, but its the same on liking it.

Poll doesn't have enough questions/options to really work as a poll should. This is like a "napkin poll" just a quick and dirty overview. A much more nuanced poll would be much much better at giving a better hypothetical overview on the sentiment around the content.

It's amusing and odd to see people be so "black or white" about things.

This is not about morals, this is about a delay to release content being not worth it's salt, you are not shocked to see such polarization? Well... I guess you are right, I never expected to see people defending something like what we got though diadem 3.0.

Again why do we have these issues on our forum? From what I understand from translations, all the Japanese do is post what the think and move on (with dislike posts, and post pointing out problems in it having a ton of likes) But then again I do not see white knighting there =/

[Divinemights]

The poll says you are wrong though, even if you go by jp likes, 50% = you are on probation getting close to being expelled. It is clear this content is poor. Having such a low approval rating after that much delay is not an achievement.

I just knew that you didn't do a research before you respond, the JP Like is around 57% and dislike is low 17%, here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._about_eureka/

To simple put, people that dislike Eureka do not represent the FF14 community and Eurkea is far from being a failure content.
Both EN and JP poll does not support your claim.

I played about 3 hours a day in Eureka since launch on top I am also playing Feast, this is the result:

Elemental Level 16
SAM weapon +2
All SAM armor +2

It is not that grinding as you claim to be and i had much more fun in there. Games also felt a lot more alive than the stupid dungeon system.

[ReplicaX]

Did you play the 2 months before sigma got released? does not sound like it. You clearly missed my point with this kind of reply.

Again its your opinion and playstyle. There are plenty of players on this forum that have posted the exact opinions during ARR and HW patches. This is not exclusive to SB only regardless of you believing it to be. SE delayed Crystal Tower for months, do you fail to remember this? Being the first 24man Raid in the game. With players tired of the lack of ARR content then?

"Did you play point" is moot and diversionary in debate. As it leads ppl to think your opinion is acting as a single truth. I did and I utilized my time on areas of the game I ignored when SB released while doing my normal daily/weekly "chores". My playstyle isn't focused only a few areas of the game either. Everyone is different.

[Mahrze]

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You clearly do not even try to understand.

Your points, put succinctly:

* Diadem 3.0 is bad. Why so long for this?
* Diadem 3.0 is our "new content" that was planned 17 months ago? Why we "lose" content for this?
* Diadem 3.0 is late and worthless for any kind of progress. Why is it so incomplete?

The counter-points offered a myriad of times.

* Data is confusing and mixed overall. Calling this a flop is an exaggeration at worst. But it does fall into the usual SE predictability
* We never lost content. They explained how it would go since the media tour which Reyn was kind enough to even link it to you and I'll quote:

As far timing of patches post Stormblood goes Yoshi-P said they plan to keep the 3 – 3½ month cadence they have currently been doing. He said it seems to be a good rhythm for the players which keeps them from either feeling like they run out of things to do too quickly or feel overwhelmed with content. It is also a good cycle for the developers because they can consistently put out high quality content without killing themselves. The current plan for what these patches will contain is odd numbered patches will have one dungeon and some other new content while even numbered patches will have two new dungeons and QOL improvements.

* Nobody is denying its rewards are dull, but with their new progress of odd patches being catch up stuff. This means the relic will likely get more stuff on 4.35. Which is content they already developed in those 17 months, I doubt they develop "on the fly".

If you can't say you enjoyed something, or love something, THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG with what they think of said focus. This means there is improvements to be made, basically 70% find the need to want improvements to this place, its not different then saying they dislike it in some way. All I am doing is stating facts, you are word twisting.

You can like things and also want them to be better. Again, thinks are not strictly love/hate. 30% liking/loving it wouldn't tell you its fine as is, a very minimal number would likely say so but that doesn't mean liking/loving as is doesn't deny improvement. Something can have varying degrees of positive approval just like you imply varying degrees of disapproval.

I can safely argue that more than 70% would likely find room for improvement, including people on the like/love camp, simply because even those who like it, in the feedback posts, want a bit more from it that we got.

Also, the "things we learned" meme is used to much and almost for everything at this point to really hold weight as a "counter-point" for all the predictable content they make. But I digress at this point.

Edit:

Just the way of the modern day world, sadly.

Anyway, I voted "Meh." I hated Eureka at first but it has grown on me throughout the week. DEFINITELY room for improvement though. I don't think anyone is bold enough to claim that it's absolutely perfect the way it is, nor should anyone claim it's the absolute worst thing to ever exist.

With the delays? how much we lost content wise in SB while SE admitting it? that it is why the bold should be considered. If standalone and released sooner yeah I def agree with you, but under this situation, I can't help and wonder if that bold is really true or not.

Since you like this quote, it's quite ironic to see it pop again since you repeat your same points over and over.

This is not about morals, this is about a delay to release content being not worth it's salt, you are not shocked to see such polarization? Well... I guess you are right, I never expected to see people defending something like what we got though diadem 3.0.

Again why do we have these issues on our forum? From what I understand from translations, all the Japanese do is post what the think and move on (with dislike posts, and post pointing out problems in it having a ton of likes) But then again I do not see white knighting there =/

Barring the ludicrous comment about morals. Dramatic forums are dramatic. go fig.

[Soupa]

Muh opinions=/

My dude you’ve been all over the forums doing nothing but proclaiming eureka is bad/failed/unacceptable content for the past week. It’s fine to have that opinion but are you even playing this game anymore or just coming to the forum to ensure you’re correct and paying the sub to gain access? If the latter is the case it might be time for you to unsub and move on. You keep using the term white knight without realizing you are the whitest of the knights.