Eureka Suggestion: Some sort of level sync. Or de-level (other than repeat death)

[Tridus]

Yup. Tried to group with friends last night who actually like Eureka (since it's more tolerable with lots of friends) and I can't play with them now on anything outside NMs because I get zero XP due to the level disparity on every normal mob in the zone.

How did SE not think of this? level sync is only a thing that features prominently in the rest of the game....

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Yup. Tried to group with friends last night who actually like Eureka (since it's more tolerable with lots of friends) and I can't play with them now on anything outside NMs because I get zero XP due to the level disparity on every normal mob in the zone.

How did SE not think of this? level sync is only a thing that features prominently in the rest of the game....

You know... I hadn't thought of that but it really is odd how they insist on syncing us down in virtually every other piece of content except the one mode where it'd benefit most. Just adds to the feeling Eureka was rushed. Granted, I do get the impression they believed grinding mobs would be fun. I kinda doubt they anticipated Eureka becoming little more than a locust swarm.

[Mahrze]

Yup. Tried to group with friends last night who actually like Eureka (since it's more tolerable with lots of friends) and I can't play with them now on anything outside NMs because I get zero XP due to the level disparity on every normal mob in the zone.

How did SE not think of this? level sync is only a thing that features prominently in the rest of the game....

I think tanking for them as PLD helps, since flash takes aggro but due to no damage, it's a good way to cake walk them.

As to why they didn't think of it? I don't think they expected it to be a zerg rush.

You can get gold on NMs as a solo tank player, so I don't think its much about them thinking but just how simple the "merit system" in place is.

Knowing SE, they'll "address" this issue with a Eureka Jump Potion on the Mog Shop instead >.>

Stop giving them ideas.

[Tridus]

You know... I hadn't thought of that but it really is odd how they insist on syncing us down in virtually every other piece of content except the one mode where it'd benefit most. Just adds to the feeling Eureka was rushed. Granted, I do get the impression they believed grinding mobs would be fun. I kinda doubt they anticipated Eureka becoming little more than a locust swarm.

I don't know how it could be rushed when it was announced well over a year ago and delayed twice. It seems more like they either didn't have a vision for what they wanted, or didn't have the resources to implement it. But given how much more XP and rewards the NMs give and that a player zerg blob can spawn them faster, how could they possibly not realize players would do that? It's the most obvious conclusion to come to once you understand how stuff works in there and you say "how do I get my stuff with as little time and effort as possible?"

And by scaling damage so quickly with level and XP the way they do, they created this situation where my group of friends is effectively divided into at least three groups when it comes to playing in Eureka instead of the one we want to be (and can be in basically everything else because level sync).

I think tanking for them as PLD helps, since flash takes aggro but due to no damage, it's a good way to cake walk them.

Maybe. I imagine that's really tedious for the PLD, though.

As to why they didn't think of it? I don't think they expected it to be a zerg rush.

Have they not seen what players did throughout the history of the game? As soon as players figure out the mechanics, they optimize to minimize time and effort. ALWAYS. That's what players do. Players are very, very good at that.

If nobody at SE saw this coming, then they have an astounding lack of understanding of their own customers.

[Metsonm]

Have they not seen what players did throughout the history of the game? As soon as players figure out the mechanics, they optimize to minimize time and effort. ALWAYS. That's what players do. Players are very, very good at that.

If nobody at SE saw this coming, then they have an astounding lack of understanding of their own customers.

It's easy to say hindsight is 20/20 when talking about anticipating how players would react to Eureka, but it's important to remember that SE HAS that hindsight. We've gone through the same song and dance twice before with Diadem and then back to 2.X with fate trains.

[Claviusnex]

It's easy to say hindsight is 20/20 when talking about anticipating how players would react to Eureka, but it's important to remember that SE HAS that hindsight. We've gone through the same song and dance twice before with Diadem and then back to 2.X with fate trains.

It also happens every time they come out with a world boss like Ixion, Odin or an S Rank. Eureka is really nothing more than these in a single location.

[Mahrze]

Maybe. I imagine that's really tedious for the PLD, though.

Naw, if the tank is over-leveled they can solo anything. If you need help I can tank stuff to help your group catch up. HMU on discord since we're in the same DC.

Have they not seen what players did throughout the history of the game? As soon as players figure out the mechanics, they optimize to minimize time and effort. ALWAYS. That's what players do. Players are very, very good at that.

If nobody at SE saw this coming, then they have an astounding lack of understanding of their own customers.

Well, going for 5 years since ARR and they still make these mistakes. I do honestly think they didn't anticipate it, as absurd as it sounds.

I am more dumbfounded that they didn't put a cull option based on activity. 144 people in an instance and I can be very certain that a good percentage of that number is people on the outskirts of NM farms just standing there with the songbird cheer emotes. I am OK with Lowbies doing it, but you can always see people that can help (aka, High lvls), hiding in the midst of the crowd.

[Reynhart]

Or, we could have a system akin to The World Ends With You where you manually reduce your level (only at the magia plate, of course) to increase the chance and number of rewards.

It would not only help keeping a decent income of cystals when helping low level friends, but also allow some people to try challenging some NM at a reduced level. It would increase the end reward, at the risk of reducing one's contribution or, if too greedy, being too weak to survive some stray AoEs.

[Claviusnex]

I think either a group sync or a phase out of exp for higher level players while keeping it for lower level players would be goo to have. I would have no problem helping lower level players power level to catch up if I knew they would get full exp credit.

[Sylvina]

The De leveling is already bad enough for dying and you want it to happen even if you DON'T die? Really? Oh my god some people.