Should FF14 take a new route? Discussion

[Aerlana]

At ARR, all was possible.
Now, they took the road of the overly casualed content, to get more and more people, to sell more and more in cash shop. and more and more vendor, and now, the premiumsub.

Dont forget the first year of FFXIV v2 was cash shop free (it came in 1 year after, little more) so, there really was a different way than what we have.

To be clear, in my mind, more cash shop = intent to have a overly casual game...
they dont want to do a good game, but a game that make money, those two things are not all time the same...

[toiletvape]

FFXIV and WoW are probably the biggest MMOs on the market right now and they're both doing the same thing; going from a game to a business.

Nickel-and-dime-ing/shady player retention tactics are the two most prevalent things I see in both.

Remember back when FFXI was 'the' MMO then WoW came and set the new standard? We need that again, someone's gonna have to break the mold and break it right.

[Vahlnir]

FFXIV and WoW are probably the biggest MMOs on the market right now and they're both doing the same thing; going from a game to a business.

Nickel-and-dime-ing/shady player retention tactics are the two most prevalent things I see in both.

Remember back when FFXI was 'the' MMO then WoW came and set the new standard? We need that again, someone's gonna have to break the mold and break it right.

I'm not saying WoW doesn't do it from time to time, because it does...but XIV has gone above and beyond what WoW is doing, and they continue to stoop to new lows. There's not really any mistaking that.

[Remedi]

I don't think activision-blizzard ever dared to explain why expansions after MOP were more expensive or why UK players had their sub increased.
Also let's not forget that the whole lootboxes fiasco is to blame mostly on them for essentially making the whole gaming community like it, even pro consumers advocate fell for it and that's why I think they are worse than everything SE has ever done.
SE doesn't even try to make you like their ways, activision-blizzard has a huuuge PR management that is designed exactly to make you accept them, which frankly is worrying

[toiletvape]

Don't get me wrong I think FFXIV is a better game in terms of the company managing it, but it's not hard to see the direction it's heading.

I do give SE credit where it is due, however. Far lower costs of account services (level boost/appearance change), lower sub cost, not shadily making leveling take 3x as long around the same time they release new races to level on top of already having to put in hours upon hours on menial grinding just to be able to use said races; maybe got too specific there but you get the point.

Blizzard is far and away much worse, not to mention influential and egotistical. If they make these awful decisions to make them more money and the game remains a powerhouse, others are gonna see that.

[Aerlana]

So, you prefer an abusiv cash shop, 3 different sub (1 to pay, 1 for more storage, and last for this app) just to get lower account services (for myself, i nearly never used them, on game or other... and wow sub is the same than FF sub...)

Say why blizzard is worse? i see a 500 euro cash shop for blizzard with a 13 years old game, 8 years old cash shop (and can get the whole CS / account services for... 0 euros, only ingame money...)
700 for SE + vendor sub + app + wedding + dyes. for 3 years old cash shop...


SE is doing a bad way... really bad one... one i hate

You speak about allied race, i didnt grind hours and hours for them, i just played the content... and when they were avaible, i did met all what was needed to play them (miracle probably...). wow already had 11 race, those 4 need some request to get, yes and we did know what we needed far before they were avaible... I did a long pause on wow (6 month) came back and didnt have any matter to play my void elf...
But we could also speak about FFXIV grind, atma's at release, the obvious fun of eureka which is the only way to get an obsolete weapon. there again, hard to say wow is worse...

Other part of your post could be discussed, but, i dont think it is a good way to save FFXIV that saying "[insert random game]doest worse"
I would gladly prefer to say "no one does better FFXIV" and not only on subjectiv way (because you speak about leveling on wow... 1 week to go from lvl 1 to lvl 110 with the new one... i dont think it is "too long" ... 2 week if i go slow)


All your way to say "FFXIV is not so bad, watch wow" is mainly your opinion, and other could have others...

FFXIV can do better. you speak about "making new rule" as wow did when came in? ok... but the rule FFXIV are making now are "cash shop, more cash shop in sub MMO" ... and i really REALLY dislike it...

[toiletvape]

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WoW is $15/FF is $13.

Not everyone plays both games the way you do, some had to grind for weeks for allied races, only to get punched in the face with the reworked leveling. As for FFXIV, I have no reason atm to pay anymore than standard sub fee, and while I think some things you have to pay for should be baseline, you at least get the option.

If what you got from my post was "FFXIV isnt that bad compared to WoW" then you're not completely wrong, and that's my point. You just seem really dead-set on crucifying this game with your negative attitude.

Recent decisions are bad for this game, but it's not at the stage WoW is at and nobody wants it getting there.

[Lunalepsy]

The game needs a soft reminder of what it used to be a long time ago. I really miss being a true Black Mage!

[RokkuEkkusu]

The devs should add more 8-man dungeons or make the next 8-man normal "raids" similar to how Alexander normal was. The current 8-man normal "raids" might as well be called "Trials" for all I care.

Also in 8-man normal raids from previous patches, make at least one piece of gear drop aside from the currency drops to increase incentive of running them.

And for Crafting/Fishing Levequests, bring back the "Ingenuity" type quests (these are the ones that have the quest giver and item recipient at different locations, with a high reward to match the travel time/cost).

[ko_]

That app needs to GO! That is the one thing I will agree with everyone and say it's a big fat NO! I love this game and feel the content we get is awesome, I also understand the cash shop has a completely different team that's not tied to the normal devs for the game. And that's fine, but SE listen to me... alot of your paying costumers hate that as it is. You seriously think making a paying app for phones is going to help you with them or the general people at large? So much for LBR being in a good mood :c but in this case .. I agree with the incoming backlash.