Should FF14 take a new route? Discussion

[Alleo]

I dont think that FF14 will be gone soon but I fear that it may never live up to its great potential.

My problems:

SE tries to invent the wheel again and makes things far too complicated:
People wanted something similiar to Pokemon, yet they decided to introduce LoV in that overly complicated way.

People wanted to be able to give their chocobos different colors. Instead of simply using the way we can color our clothes they invent a whole system where you first need a house or apartment to use it and fruits from gardening. On top of that its RNG too. Why does something simply like that need such a complicated annoying system?

People wanted a way to store their glamour so that they could get it all. Instead of an limitless glamour catalogue we got a dresser with a 200 item limit, that destroys our stuff and that need plates (which are way too less) which can only be changed at certain places and dont work that easily too.

TT was overly complicated with all its limits and its still a huge RNG factor when you want to get every card. Instead of having a nice game that you can play for a bit you have another minigames that needs far too much time if you want them all..Great for those that have nothing else to do, bad for those that still need lots of other stuff.

SE should put more money into research and the opinion of the playerbase instead of marketing:

Less traveling all around the world for someone that already has to do three jobs..where should those new ideas come from, if the person in charge has to go around the world constantly? If you still want to do that use an PR team or give us a new face that will do that but give Yoshida a bit of a break. Someone that is stressed out that much might just simply have not the time to come up with something new and simple.

More communication with the rest of the playbase. Nobody truly knows if they still mostly listen to their japanese fanbase but its already bad that people get the feeling that their opinion is worth less because they are from NA or EU. Especially since we have more players in those two than in the japanese playerbase. Have a translator with you in these liveletter because those still feel like JP only shows. Also if you ask us for our question then please take the ones with the most likes even if they are not comfortable. Otherwise you can just stop with these liveletters..

Give people a way to tell them their opinion other than the forum. If someone cancel their sub give them the chance to write their reasons down. If you release a new patch with new content, give us ingame surveys which will ask the players how they liked it and what they would have made different. Sent all of those directly to SE JP and have them be translated there by professional translators so that stuff wont be missing..This way you will truly get the view of the whole playerbase. If you fear that people wont take their time to answer that give us Crysta or stuff like that as a thank you if you participate and answer each question. This way people might finally feel like their opinion is worth something.

Communication is the key! How can it be that there is such a huge silence for a lot of problems and only a very late apology (if there is any)? Dont change stuff up without telling us about it..its really leaving a bad taste in my mouth when you just changed the merchandise stuff from account wide to single character only without any warnings before that and without any true reasons..the same with the price increase for some countries. Something like that can really damage the reputatin of your company. If you are worldwide you cant just stick with the culture of your own country..you have to understand how the other cultures function and step over your shadow.

If you are planning for something that the community wanted for a longer time, why not give us a bit of the basics ideas behind it and see how we will take it? As soon as I played stuff like LoV or Diadem 1+2 (+3..) I kinda wondered how they believed that this would be something great. It starts to feel like they are out of touch. Maybe if you have posted what you have planned with LoV people could have still given their opinion about this before you released it..maybe we would have a better LoV now that a lot of people still play out of fun and not something that was nearly death on arrival.

Sometimes I really get the feeling that we are playing a game that is completely just the vision of one person..but thats not how it should be..Yes the developers should have a vision and things like story are onto them but an MMO can only be successful and a money maker if you have the playerbase on your side. So you should create things that most of them will like and not something that you just like..

Go and get a team of people that only goes around and plays other MMOs and give them the time to try them out, to research what is great and how people like it and then take ideas from such systems. Make them so that they can function within FF14 and that they are also not needlessly complicated or something people did not want. Make something that does not need constant changes because that means just less time and budget for other stuff.

This game could be so great but right now its just alright. It will never be able to get better than WoW if they are fine with medicore content.

I dont want them to change the whole game up, but I am also getting tired of the „serverlimitation“ as a reason why we wont get stuff. Change that otherwise we will never truly see it rise above its own position. It will be a fine and nice MMO but nothing great.

[Theodric]

FFXIV needs to look at WoW. That isn't me saying it needs to be WoW, though.

For better or for worse, WoW shakes things up with each new expansion. It isn't afraid to try new things. Despite limitations, it has also added a bunch of new playable races in the form of 'Allied Races'. Now, I'm not saying that FFXIV needs to embrace the same route but increased character customisation has been requested for years now and all we seem to get is new hairstyles with each patch. Worse yet, many of these hairstyles are clearly designed to be feminine/androgynous so those of us who play male characters with a masculine aesthetic miss out.

This site could do with a revamp, too. I'm hoping that with Yoshi-P's promotion we'll see more funding and staff thrown FFXIV's way. It's sorely needed.

[Remedi]

Wow gives the impression of shaking things up but at the end of the day it's still the same game, not to mention they have the orrible tendency of creating stuffs for an expansion and removing them the next for arbitrary reasons.

They really had the occasion of shaking things up with the artifact and they decided to make it bland and then toss it away.

[Remedi]

As much as we give shit for them to adding a cash shop and some promotion I would like to remind that Wow cash shop exist too and for some items is more expensive and let's not forget the TCG promotion (which btw is no longer printed so expect paying a hefty amount on ebay if you fancy those cosmetics)

edit: not implying that is correct either way just saying the fact

[Aerlana]

edit: not implying that is correct either way just saying the fact

Either way it is stupid. Sub MMORPG = no cash shop.
There is many difference between both (WoW got high cost mount, but the FF cash shop is much more expensive if you buy everything... being really younger.

WoW does it = bad
FF doest it = bad. The matter here is we speak about final fantasy XIV, and about a lack of fun in the game...

Aello did show the core matter of the devs for this game. but with so much income (sub + vendor sub + cash shop) we could hope really better. Dont care if any game doest worst.

[Remedi]

Either way it is stupid. Sub MMORPG = no cash shop.
There is many difference between both (WoW got high cost mount, but the FF cash shop is much more expensive if you buy everything... being really younger.

WoW does it = bad
FF doest it = bad. The matter here is we speak about final fantasy XIV, and about a lack of fun in the game...

Aello did show the core matter of the devs for this game. but with so much income (sub + vendor sub + cash shop) we could hope really better. Dont care if any game doest worst.

It's bad either way but you don't have mounts costing 1.5k EU on ebay atm, many items in wow are as I said are locked behind trading cards that are no longer printed and let's not forget that we have a part of our community asking for more and more items in the cash shop especially those that were created for the chinese version of the game, which somewhat baffles me

Frankly it annoys me that both game got a cash shop because a part of the costumers eventually asked them and I know some ppl I used to play would instantly buy those items no matter what.
It's sad if you ask me

[Aerlana]

It's bad either way but you don't have mounts costing 1.5k EU on ebay atm,

TCG was a fun and not so good thing. Some card also was for IG item that was consumable, 50 use = finished.

Btw, the 1k5 dollars mount it is the rarity. but it is not blizzard's prices. Blizzard did sell the cards as any other TCG (a ack with few cards the same price, and then you pray to get the good one). I dont see why it is a ay to says "blizzard does worst" else, what about all those SE shop stuff with in game goodies?
Those 1k5 will go in anyone's poeckt, not blizzard.

I dont care people asking for more in cash shop, i said what i think about this Sub mmo = No cash shop, either blizzard or SE!

Just, stop watching what other games doest worst, if you want a wonderfull FFXIV, just watch what other games does BETTER than FFXIV and say "we want at least as good as this"

With a "this game does it really more bad than FFXIV" you just try to justify anything bad in FFXIV with a "dont cry, could be worst"
With a "this game doest it really better" you just come to ask "Please SE, prove you are the best devs and editor!"



Edit for remedi : I did bad read after i admit.
But, i think it is also us to speak a better way : now, ignore stupid people. If they say again and again the same stupidity it is their matter and we could loose time to explain. Just we have to focus on what really matters : FFXIV, and what can be improved! Ignore stupid comment "this is worst than FFXIV" is the best thing we can do for now.

[Alleo]

As much as we give shit for them to adding a cash shop and some promotion I would like to remind that Wow cash shop exist too and for some items is more expensive and let's not forget the TCG promotion (which btw is no longer printed so expect paying a hefty amount on ebay if you fancy those cosmetics)

edit: not implying that is correct either way just saying the fact

WoW ist still a much older game with a much smaller cash shop. And lets not forget that you can get the cash shop currency ingame so you could get everything in the WoW cash shop by just playing the game. So FF14 is younger, but has a big amount of more stuff in there (and its getting more and more) with a big price tag which you cant buy ingame. There is imo quite a difference between those two.

I would complain quite less about the cash shop if we would be able to exchange Crysta with Gil or buy tokens from other players.

It's bad either way but you don't have mounts costing 1.5k EU on ebay atm, many items in wow are as I said are locked behind trading cards that are no longer printed and let's not forget that we have a part of our community asking for more and more items in the cash shop especially those that were created for the chinese version of the game, which somewhat baffles me

Frankly it annoys me that both game got a cash shop because a part of the costumers eventually asked them and I know some ppl I used to play would instantly buy those items no matter what.
It's sad if you ask me

It can go the same way since FF14 now likes to sell emotes with statues so who knows how much they will cost on ebay in the future. SE also has items from merchandise that you cant get anymore.

[Remedi]

WoW ist still a much older game with a much smaller cash shop. And lets not forget that you can get the cash shop currency ingame so you could get everything in the WoW cash shop by just playing the game. So FF14 is younger, but has a big amount of more stuff in there (and its getting more and more) with a big price tag which you cant buy ingame. There is imo quite a difference between those two.

I would complain quite less about the cash shop if we would be able to exchange Crysta with Gil or buy tokens from other players.

Most of the items in FFXIV cash shop were old event items which if you have been subbed constantly they are nothing to you.

What are you talking about the tokens in-game for the wow cashshop? There was never such a thing when I played this they really changed it to be a mobile game or what? And frankly since mop start their focus on the cash shop just skyrocket so no if anything ACTIVISION-BLIZZARD has become the greediest scumbag company after EA.

And my point of the TCG was about the emotes with statues, only that you don't spend money for the emote you spend them for the statuette not like WOW Trading cards that are completely useless if not for the loot code.
You can say I'm defending FFXIV here, maybe frankly I don't respect activision-blizzard and their scummy way especially because they could drop tons of dung on ppl and ppl will still buy it.

Just like ppl praises bethesda games while they simply release w/e and then let ppl complete it and they've been doing it for years but still nobody cares. I can garanteed that if WB, EA, Konami where to do this ppl will bitch to no end, but since it's everyone favorite nobody cares, so yeah on this topic I don't like ppl beign partial

Shame on SE, shame on Activision-Blizzard, shame on everyone doing it

[Alleo]

Most of the items in FFXIV cash shop were old event items which if you have been subbed constantly they are nothing to you.

What are you talking about the tokens in-game for the wow cashshop?

Yet for those that started after it those event items are still new items and they cant get them any other way. If I remember it correctly people can buy things from the cash shop (or tokens) and sell them ingame for gold. This way if you need more money ingame you can sell those things and the other person can get cash shop stuff. They also went so far and made it possible to sell game time that way.

Seeing the prices on SEs side, the DLC and complete Royal edition for FF15 and much more...I cant say that SE is any better than Blizzard.

Anyway last post on this otherwise its get a bit off topic.