Male Spring Bottoms. What the hell?

[ForctyusGold]

yo in spring is somewhere still cold so dev team keep us healthy anyway this desing with that hips are disgusting

[Ariane]

People complained about the WHM AF1? But that looks very nice on guys (especially Roegadyn). AF2 is a dumpters fire, though.

Yes, there's always guys complaining that they don't like casters wearing dresses. And, I've seen a lot of topics about how the gear overall in FFXIV is too feminine, and they also go on about how SE hates men so much.

[Titor]

someone on reddit called them medical scrubs and i died. although tbh, their comparison isnt too far off....

As someone who really wanted a medical scrubs item I’m Both happy and thinking “not like this”

[Hestzhyen]

Yes, there's always guys complaining that they don't like casters wearing dresses. And, I've seen a lot of topics about how the gear overall in FFXIV is too feminine, and they also go on about how SE hates men so much.

Life is rough if you want to be a manly caster/healer. I say this as a heal main who plays RDM and BLM most often when DPSing- you have to try really, really hard to avoid wearing dresses, robes, super long coats, etc. Some of the sets do look cool (can't wait to get a dyable version of the Bardam's stuff!), but a lot of the time I just want to see myself actually wearing pants or shorts, no frills or sweeping robes attached. SE is stuck in a rigid design mentality across the board and these sad excuse for seasonal "shorts" is just the latest in a long trend of not being in touch with what people want to have their characters wear.

I've been wearing the Garo set for ages as a caster since it's simply the most aesthetically pleasing "battle mage" gear in the game, and that was designed by someone outside the company. I want more stuff like that. And shorts. For the love of god can we get some real shorts so I can have something approaching variety PLEASE.

[Usho]

Yes, there's always guys complaining that they don't like casters wearing dresses. And, I've seen a lot of topics about how the gear overall in FFXIV is too feminine, and they also go on about how SE hates men so much.

Because it's true? Or rather, it's become very obvious. But you wouldn't know would you? Probably not. If you look at nearly all the gear (especially caster and healer gear) starting from HW to now, it's either a dress or some "coat" at that is cleverly disguised as a dress. Lot of them look overly feminine. Have you seen the caster SB leveling (62-68) gear? Especially the lvl 64 Caster gear. It's feminine looking and it's ugly at that.


Whoever designs gear at SE is very narrow minded and needs to be fired asap. Lot of the gear is reskinned from old ass gear from past expansions. Outside of "some" lvl 1 glamour pieces and some arr leveling gear (which a lot of them are gender neutral) lot of the gear onwards is very feminine and it's getting on my nerves.

If you wanna wear a dress then more power to ya, but I want some masculine looking gear or at least some gear that shows off a guy's features more. Most female players don't complain much cause a lot the gear designs panders a lot to female players and or males playing females.

But male characters, as far as SE is concerned, is put on the backburner as far as better gear is considered which leads me to believe that SE is very much double standardized.

To the Devs: My suggestion: Make gender related gear for both genders from lvl 50-onwards. For example, the lvl 50 caster body is the "Rainbow Robe of Casting". Make 2 sets, one for females and one for males. For a game like this that likes to pander, this shouldn't be a hard task to do. If this continues as is...5.0 onwards will have the same reskinned gear and feminine looking gear and that's not something I'm looking forward too. Fire your terribad designer and hire someone who actually cares about diversity.

If you think I'm complaining then i don't really care what you think, but you're welcome to argue your case. My complaint is a valid one and I think there are other people who agree that the gear design needs to change, at least as far as designing gear for males.

[Tsumdere]

*raises hand slowly* Like me. I really hated that for the longest time I was stuck with one casting jacket because it was the only one that was cool and wasn't a straight up dress.

Thankfully now we have the Spring Shirt, unlocked suspenders from Eureka, and the Winter Sweater if I am feeling like looking like a dad, so I'm really happy that now I actually have some choices

[Ariane]

I'm just saying there are people that complain the gear is too feminine and others complain its not feminine enough. They already do sometimes make the gear different looking between genders, and even once had different sets for both for the Garo gear. But then you get some people complaining that their male characters don't get stuff like a butterfly hairpin. But if both genders got the butterfly hairpin? People would be complaining its too feminine for men.

[BillyKaplan]

I'm just saying there are people that complain the gear is too feminine and others complain its not feminine enough. They already do sometimes make the gear different looking between genders, and even once had different sets for both for the Garo gear. But then you get some people complaining that their male characters don't get stuff like a butterfly hairpin. But if both genders got the butterfly hairpin? People would be complaining its too feminine for men.

The problem is a lack of options that hurts everyone involved, if we had more options no one would've picked on any one set that goes heavily in either direction because there would've been something to offset it like there is for females most of the time. Some people want to run their male characters as wearing more femininie clothes - not necessarily the Generic Robes™ casters get (and what if I want that, but for my tank? I'm screwed), especially when you look at the variety of outfits female characters get. And then you have the people who want more masculine outfits, who either get screwed over because the set is unisex so they have to put in a boob-window a-la lore tank set (I personally like that on guys, but I get why people complain), or because their idea of what guys wear is what we got in this case, Generic Pants™ that don't even look that good. Pants can look good, I adore the AF3 BRD pants, but they're the extreme minority. Sometimes I have a hard time telling apart the Best Man's slacks from the Butler's slacks from the Slacks of Eternal Passion. Sure, I have 3 options for pants. But are they really options if I can't really tell them apart?
And yes, people can and will complain either way. But these pants in particular are just plain and uninspired, I can't imagine either side is overly happy with them.

[Kacho_Nacho]

I was speaking for Square, sorry.

I like my knees. D:

Lalafell knees are the best knees!

[Rokke]

what is it in this game all the guys wanna cross dress

Breaking news: shorts are now considered cross dressing