Male Spring Bottoms. What the hell?

[Krotoan]

Can I get an official response from the dev team as to why the male version for Spring Bottoms looks like trash level 10 crafting gear. Thank you.

I want you to have options as much as the next guy, but those are the exact same patterns, just one is longer and doesn't have the ends rolled up. It's not TRASH.. it's not what you wanted but it's not trash. Is it shorts? do you want shorts? cause you can ASK for shorts without saying something else is garbage.

[Jijifli]

Because male knees are disgusting, specially Lalafell ones.

[Usho]

Because male knees are disgusting, specially Lalafell ones.

So you must think your knees are disgusting then right? (if you are a guy and not just some sexist guy hating girl).

Also don't diss potato legs.

[AmemeAmeklin]

This movement for male short shorts should have a mascot to grab the attention of the devs. I propose you adopt Godbert Manderville as your mascot, gentlemen! For muscle is what makes a man, and clothing should not hold you back from showing off your manliness the way only a Manderville man can!

[BillyKaplan]

This movement for male short shorts should have a mascot to grab the attention of the devs. I propose you adopt Godbert Manderville as your mascot, gentlemen! For muscle is what makes a man, and clothing should not hold you back from showing off your manliness the way only a Manderville man can!

See Godbert even existing baffles me. The guy runs around most of the time in the nude, if he bothers to wear anything he doesn't even wear pants at all, he wears a dress-esque piece for the Starlight events, and there's an entire questline - yes, a questline where you need to repeatedly apply salamander oil on his body, and then this is revisited in the Hildy quests when you need to do the same for his son. But giving guys pants that don't cover from waist to ankle somehow makes them too uncomfortable to implement.

[DreadRabbit]

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Heck we already have subligars and other "underwear" dudes run around in already anyway. So if you don't give the crowd that wants to show off their legs more options they'll just run around in those more. If the dev team was wanting to avoid that they're already too late.

Personally I feel like this is less a "men showing skin" issue as it is a potential styling issue. They probably had a specific look in mind for the male Spring set as the shirt looks somewhat dressy, so they might have thought it would look odd with shorts (at least at the length male shorts tend to normally be). Thus pants instead. A lot of the sets in this game feel that way.

That doesn't make it right though. They could have given both genders a choice between pants and shorts and let us decide. Because how I would like to dress a guy and how the guys on the dev team think men should dress are potentially two very different styles.

[Jijifli]

So you must think your knees are disgusting then right? (if you are a guy and not just some sexist guy hating girl).

Also don't diss potato legs.

I was speaking for Square, sorry.

I like my knees. D:

[Kacho_Nacho]

I was speaking for Square, sorry.

I like my knees. D:

Lalafell knees are the best knees!

[Hestzhyen]

I want you to have options as much as the next guy, but those are the exact same patterns, just one is longer and doesn't have the ends rolled up. It's not TRASH.. it's not what you wanted but it's not trash. Is it shorts? do you want shorts? cause you can ASK for shorts without saying something else is garbage.

We have been asking, for a while in fact... SE seems to have plugged their ears to our cries.

And can you honestly say those ugly mom jeans aren't trash? Come on. There are so many people who wouldn't be caught dead in pants like that. I bet we'll get "extended shorts" for summer again because male legs are so icky and discomforting to the designers.

[Krotoan]

We have been asking, for a while in fact... SE seems to have plugged their ears to our cries.

And can you honestly say those ugly mom jeans aren't trash? Come on. There are so many people who wouldn't be caught dead in pants like that. I bet we'll get "extended shorts" for summer again because male legs are so icky and discomforting to the designers.

I like.. pants? Yeh, they're fine to me. I know I'm not gonna wear the shorts, but that doesn't mean I think they're trash. Just ain't my style.

Forgive me. It is but my subjective choice of words to equate the Bottoms to throw-away low level crafting gear (i.e trash), It wasn't my intention to offend you.

You say the Bottoms are the exact same pattern, just one is longer and doesn't have the ends rolled up. But surely you must agree that on one hand we have a version who's silhouette is not only striking but unique to the game, and on the other, a pair of fairly long-legged bottoms which easily fades into the mediocrity of many other leg pieces.

In asking why this is, it wasn't as you put it, "asking for shorts". But more to posit why, if the dev team is so adamant about never giving males what they consider 'feminine' gear, that they should resort to such indolent and uninspired designs.

I'm not offended, but I'm going to say that instantly using strong language like "trash" to describe everything you slightly dislike lessens the impact of everything else you say. Don't say trash when you mean plain. Word choice , especially in text, is very important.
I don't see that as "feminine gear" though. It's rolled up shorts. The idea that it's "feminine" in the first place may be why guys don't get something like that, societal embedded perception keeping the designers from seeing that kind of things and just making it for everyone. Now I need to ask for context, if both sexes had gotten the exact same shorts would you be happy? Do you think there are people who like the long jeans? Personally I'd bet someone else has been waiting for pants with a jeans pattern for a while.
Personally, it's not striking. They're rolled up shorts. It's actually a little weird to have rolled up jeans shorts in the context of this thematically old-timey , leather and metal, lop sided everything world. But hey, enjoy the shorts, I don't have to wear them. I do think that posting about every new gear we get with a "why does females get a *** and males only get a ***" is always going to disappoint you. However requesting, and yes repeating that request a LOT, for what you actually want: shorts, capri pants, poofy arabian pants, hakama whatever, will gain more support (I'd gladly support most extended options for gear, though I'm gonna say we really don't need anymore options for subligars).