Male Spring Bottoms. What the hell?

[Hestzhyen]

I want you to have options as much as the next guy, but those are the exact same patterns, just one is longer and doesn't have the ends rolled up. It's not TRASH.. it's not what you wanted but it's not trash. Is it shorts? do you want shorts? cause you can ASK for shorts without saying something else is garbage.

We have been asking, for a while in fact... SE seems to have plugged their ears to our cries.

And can you honestly say those ugly mom jeans aren't trash? Come on. There are so many people who wouldn't be caught dead in pants like that. I bet we'll get "extended shorts" for summer again because male legs are so icky and discomforting to the designers.

[Krotoan]

We have been asking, for a while in fact... SE seems to have plugged their ears to our cries.

And can you honestly say those ugly mom jeans aren't trash? Come on. There are so many people who wouldn't be caught dead in pants like that. I bet we'll get "extended shorts" for summer again because male legs are so icky and discomforting to the designers.

I like.. pants? Yeh, they're fine to me. I know I'm not gonna wear the shorts, but that doesn't mean I think they're trash. Just ain't my style.

Forgive me. It is but my subjective choice of words to equate the Bottoms to throw-away low level crafting gear (i.e trash), It wasn't my intention to offend you.

You say the Bottoms are the exact same pattern, just one is longer and doesn't have the ends rolled up. But surely you must agree that on one hand we have a version who's silhouette is not only striking but unique to the game, and on the other, a pair of fairly long-legged bottoms which easily fades into the mediocrity of many other leg pieces.

In asking why this is, it wasn't as you put it, "asking for shorts". But more to posit why, if the dev team is so adamant about never giving males what they consider 'feminine' gear, that they should resort to such indolent and uninspired designs.

I'm not offended, but I'm going to say that instantly using strong language like "trash" to describe everything you slightly dislike lessens the impact of everything else you say. Don't say trash when you mean plain. Word choice , especially in text, is very important.
I don't see that as "feminine gear" though. It's rolled up shorts. The idea that it's "feminine" in the first place may be why guys don't get something like that, societal embedded perception keeping the designers from seeing that kind of things and just making it for everyone. Now I need to ask for context, if both sexes had gotten the exact same shorts would you be happy? Do you think there are people who like the long jeans? Personally I'd bet someone else has been waiting for pants with a jeans pattern for a while.
Personally, it's not striking. They're rolled up shorts. It's actually a little weird to have rolled up jeans shorts in the context of this thematically old-timey , leather and metal, lop sided everything world. But hey, enjoy the shorts, I don't have to wear them. I do think that posting about every new gear we get with a "why does females get a *** and males only get a ***" is always going to disappoint you. However requesting, and yes repeating that request a LOT, for what you actually want: shorts, capri pants, poofy arabian pants, hakama whatever, will gain more support (I'd gladly support most extended options for gear, though I'm gonna say we really don't need anymore options for subligars).

[BillyKaplan]

I want you to have options as much as the next guy, but those are the exact same patterns, just one is longer and doesn't have the ends rolled up.

You're looking at the wrong thing. The pattern doesn't matter as much when Generic Pants™ is all they seem capable of dishing out for us. You take that same exact pair of pants and make them even knee-long, a bit baggy, and boom, you have about the most innovative design for legs-slot for males this game has seen in years.

[Roukiz]

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Forgive me. It is but my subjective choice of words to equate the Bottoms to throw-away low level crafting gear (i.e trash), It wasn't my intention to offend you.

You say the Bottoms are the exact same pattern, just one is longer and doesn't have the ends rolled up. But surely you must agree that on one hand we have a version who's silhouette is not only striking but unique to the game, and on the other, a pair of fairly long-legged bottoms which easily fades into the mediocrity of many other leg pieces.

In asking why this is, it wasn't as you put it, "asking for shorts". But more to posit why, if the dev team is so adamant about never giving males what they consider 'feminine' gear, that they should resort to such indolent and uninspired designs.

[Ariane]

In asking why this is, it wasn't as you put it, "asking for shorts". But more to posit why, if the dev team is so adamant about never giving males what they consider 'feminine' gear, that they should resort to such indolent and uninspired designs.

Probably because when they do give male characters "feminine" gear, other (more?) people complain. See what happened to the WHM AF. Male characters had pretty much the same AF1 and AF2 for WHM as female characters. People complained, so SE made the AF3 much different between them.

[Lauront]

Yikes, those are terrible!

[Nestama]

We do ask. It's just that there's apparently a 2 year waiting time for guys :T

[DracotheDragon]

i bet you the fix will be to give the female model the long trousers instead of the shorts

[Nestama]

People complained about the WHM AF1? But that looks very nice on guys (especially Roegadyn). AF2 is a dumpters fire, though.

[Ariane]

People complained about the WHM AF1? But that looks very nice on guys (especially Roegadyn). AF2 is a dumpters fire, though.

Yes, there's always guys complaining that they don't like casters wearing dresses. And, I've seen a lot of topics about how the gear overall in FFXIV is too feminine, and they also go on about how SE hates men so much.