We need better comunication with the Community team

[Vstarstruck]

Yes you have more than answered it, thanks!

As to the quote above, you don't have to look further than the mobile game crap they have been pumping out lately. I've lost track! I totally agree, arrogance coupled with unrealistic ambition. I have no idea how they thought they could have put 1.0 on a PS3.

I see...

I have to ask: What anger and frustration? Apart from a few loud mouths here on the forums I am not seeing much anger or frustration.
I suppose I could be missing all of it, but from what I can see the majority of players are more or less happy with the current state of the game, and not angry at all.

I think you may be reading too much into that statement. I think it is more of a point of poking the idea how "displeased"? people are seeing the same thing since 2.x.. ? (when they first started out in 2.0 it was new" then but at some point they kept repeating since then and has not stopped)

[Vstarstruck]

People give SE an idea how to literally print money in 2013:

It's an interesting idea that we'll look into. We don't know for sure if we'll do it, but if you all are really interested in it, we'll definitely consider it!

I'm confused why there is no update on this.


Also is there some forum function like on wow that lets me jump to a SE post??? I had to hunt it down manually.

[Vahlnir]

People give SE an idea how to literally print money in 2013:


I'm confused why there is no update on this.


Also is there some forum function like on wow that lets me jump to a SE post??? I had to hunt it down manually.

Probably something about server limitations. (I'm only about half joking)

[ChocoFeru]

I've said it so many times on different threads; being noisy doesn't make you right.

You keep spamming every single thread giving "feedback" and then expect your wishes to become true (I think I've seen you posting on every "negative" thread...). This is not how it works.


People was lost at the start of Eureka. It was a new system that needed some time to understand for some people, but then people understood it and now it's fine.

Do you remember when even the JP community said that you needed like 80 hours of playtime for each relic? Lies.
People was just confused, and the noisy ones started making threads few hours (or even minutes) after Eureka was released, talking about stuff they didn't even understand, while the real players just played Eureka to figure stuff out.

Eureka is not perfect and it needs some improvements, yet this is not the end of the world, it's a good new system for the relics and I bet they'll improve the next step. You just can't expect them to rebuild it entirely in a week just because some noisy players want to.

[Vahlnir]

I've said it so many times on different threads; being noisy doesn't make you right.

Eureka is not perfect and it needs some improvements, yet this is not the end of the world, it's a good new system for the relics and I bet they'll improve the next step. You just can't expect them to rebuild it entirely in a week just because some noisy players want to.

The frustrations mostly came from the fact it was delayed for roughly 17 months. In that time, they managed to produce something that should have taken much less, and as a result wasn't as good as it could have been. The anger by the community (and yes, even the JP side of things wasn't all sunshines and rainbows) was justified, though some took it a little far. I was among the vocal ones during that time.

Eureka has been out a few weeks, and while it's not AS bad as people thought it was going to be...it's still content design that I'd expect from some startup company with little to no experience in game design. I know SE can do better than that. If they keep it updated and fix certain problems? Great! That's really all anyone could hope for. But I hope they took to heart the frustration from the player base and put more effort into the game they're trying to build.

[ChocoFeru]

The frustrations mostly came from the fact it was delayed for roughly 17 months. In that time, they managed to produce something that should have taken much less, and as a result wasn't as good as it could have been. The anger by the community (and yes, even the JP side of things wasn't all sunshines and rainbows) was justified, though some took it a little far. I was among the vocal ones during that time.

Eureka has been out a few weeks, and while it's not AS bad as people thought it was going to be...it's still content design that I'd expect from some startup company with little to no experience in game design. I know SE can do better than that. If they keep it updated and fix certain problems? Great! That's really all anyone could hope for. But I hope they took to heart the frustration from the player base and put more effort into the game they're trying to build.

Spoilers:

Then at this point, and understanding Eureka's story, you know Eureka will have more maps, right? They had to build new maps for each relic step, that's why it took so long.

It didn't take them 17 months to create one map. It took them 17 months to create a couple of new ones that will come sooner or later.

So, again, people keep spamming the "17 months" stuff ignoring the fact that SE made more than 1 map, and now we have to suffer new threads every week because people didn't read the story and didn't understand what Eureka is.

[RiyahArp]

Eureka is not perfect and it needs some improvements, yet this is not the end of the world.

It's horrible. I mean, people really need to stop defending it. If the idea was for people to chain grind mobs to spawn fates their level ranged, it failed. Not just because players figured out an easier and safer way, but the actual chain grinding is horrible and not designed well at all. You get relatively large penalties for even a slight level gap, and the base exp is crappy. FFXIV's combat sucks at chain pulls, because we have pretty high actions per minute for jobs. Recipe for carpal tunnel.

The zone itself is nothing special, Wineport is about as complex honestly. The play actually hurts low levels far more than high ones, and the players have found a way where a small amount of high levels carries everyone else, who stand around and wait. I mean, compared to POTD its really bad, and even compared to diadem its bare-bones; diadem at least let you gather, and had much more content in the actual zone.

People are saying "oh, it's not bad," and that's going to make SE keep spamming it on us with minor if any changes.

[Vahlnir]

So, again, people keep spamming the "17 months" stuff ignoring the fact that SE made more than 1 map, and now we have to suffer new threads every week because people didn't read the story and didn't understand what Eureka is.

I know there's more to it, which is why I mentioned the whole "keeping it updated" thing. I also understand the story (I've played through it in its entirety so far, so yeah). Eureka's story and maps aren't really the issue here. I enjoy the story and Anemos is simply beautiful. I'm totally fine with that and look forward to seeing how things unfold. It's how the first one was handled that people took issue with. YAY, MORE FATES...as if they haven't been done to hell and back already. Nothing exactly new and interesting from a gameplay perspective is going on there, aside from the elemental wheel. I hope they expand on that a bit more. NMs are hunts in the form of Fates. Nothing more. Maybe you need to read a bit more into why at least some people don't like it.

People are saying "oh, it's not bad," and that's going to make SE keep spamming it on us with minor if any changes.

In all fairness, they've already addressed a few problems I wondered if they would at all. It's a good start, but more is probably needed.

[ChocoFeru]

It's horrible. I mean, people really need to stop defending it.

Still better than any other relic step, so yeah, I'll keep defending it against low quality reviews or reviews based on lies.
It needs improvements, that's all.

I know there's more to it, which is why I mentioned the whole "keeping it updated" thing.I also understand the story (I've played through it in its entirety so far, so yeah). Eureka's story and maps aren't really the issue here. I enjoy the story and Anemos is simply beautiful. I'm totally fine with that and look forward to seeing how things unfold. It's how the first one was handled that people took issue with. YAY, MORE FATES...as if they haven't been done to hell and back already. Maybe you need to read a bit more into why at least some people don't like it.

That's the problem, the noisy crowd usually don't know what they talk about, that's why I had to explain the "17 months" stuff, because people keep believing Eureka will be only 1 map.

We still don't know how will be the next step. All we know is that the first step is the easy one and that the rest of steps will be harder, so it's normal that this first step feels boring or too basic.

Still, it needs some improvements for solo/casuals such as dailies or some oprional quests, but in general it's a good start and I bet the next maps will have new ways to upgrade the relic.


Feedback is good, but people should understand what they're talking about before spamming the same mistakes over and over again.

[RiyahArp]

In all fairness, they've already addressed a few problems I wondered if they would at all. It's a good start, but more is probably needed.

The one thing they addressed was NM pop in. The other changes don't even matter. The exp bonus is still too modest and everyone still is just doing the train. Replacing sparklers with potions literally doesn't matter; if anything it added one more thing to clutter inventory with, since sparklers still drop; the potions just replace half of them. Nothing really changed much cept now you can actually see the bosses sometimes. It's still the same as it was before, if not worse, since everyone sems to want to do high level fates only.

Still better than any other relic step, so yeah, I'll keep defending it against low quality reviews or reviews based on lies.
It needs improvements, that's all.

I've done a few HW relics. I'm not saying they are any big work of art, but they never made me stand around half-afk doing nothing because I hit the mob for 50 points of damage, and take 68000 if it looks at me. I've never felt as bored in this game as being part of that train. If you think it's better, well, then idling in Limsa is better than Sigmascape.