We need better comunication with the Community team

[Vstarstruck]

I also think the response is just fine. They can't after 3 days mention more specific things as they need to review all the feedback, see what fits the direction they're going with, do man-hour estimates, etc... The most a community team member (or even a dev) would be able to say about anything that would be more significantthan just changing loot tables is "We are reviewing other feedback for further updates in the future" - and that's hardly necessary. Surely it's obvious that if they read enough feedback to know people don't like the loot box sparklers/untradable rewards, then they've also seen all the other feedback and are thinking of ways to make the community happy.

With their track record with anything in this game, no it is not obvious. We are not listened to.
Diadem 1.0
Diadem 2.0
Diadem 3.0
The same methods, the same mistakes.
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I guess you missed the post that spoke on the lack of interaction with the PvP issues and the PvP forum for one of the comments to putting everything in one thread. Because that is proof that method to these forum also does not work in being heard.

It's easy to say "Consolidate your feedback.", but we've been doing that for years in the PvP forum, and get an SE post once every 6 months if we're lucky.

I am not asking for Rome in a day, I am not asking to give us more changes, I am asking for MORE COMMUNICATION and INTERACTION, like them actually talking to us, not a copy/paste post that is posted somewhere in each language. I am also confused why that post was not posted in that one positive feedback thread where they spoke about lockboxes more (I even commented on lock box issues) So when you see a post out of context like that, it really makes me question how much they listen and and communicate with us.

You have to take into account the ratio of people that enjoy Eureka and people that don't enjoy Eureka, as well as how that ratio holds up to all the other content in the game when it was new/fresh. Do you honestly expect SE to just remove Eureka because some people don't enjoy it and put something else in its place? Even if they did that it would not happen right away, in fact probably not even for months.

That said, it is nice what reply we actually got. It's honestly something at least I didn't expect.

It is not a nice reply though, why do you accept that? just because it is rare to get a reply? it shouldn't be like that. You also need to remember we lost a lot of content for 4.0 + to get this released, so the fact we got so little.. for that..?

[Mahrze]

The same methods, the same mistakes.
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You lost me here. Not by him, not how insanity is defined. Please don't use it if you want to explain something. It's worse than beating a dead horse.

[Vstarstruck]

You lost me here. Not by him, not how insanity is defined. Please don't use it if you want to explain something. It's worse than beating a dead horse.

I did, you literally quoted my expatiation for it too.

the team releases diadem 1.0, it fails
Doing the same thing, but expecting different results, we got diadem 2.0
Diadem 2.0 fails
Doing the same thing, but expecting different results, we got diadem 3.0
Diadem 3.0 fails, and seen as diadem 3.0, despite SE saying it will not be like diadem.

Yes. It's extremely disappointing. The main thing people said was, "Don't make it like Diadem." So they pop out something that used Diadem 1.0 as a basis.

It feels like the team is creatively bankrupt and can't think of good ideas, choose the wrong ideas as inspiration (FFXI exp parties instead of FFXI's structured endgame), and can't give up on a failed idea, determined to make that square peg fit in a round hole if they only keep trying.

+1

I accept it because, unlike you and others of the same opinion, I actually like Eureka. Also my biggest pet peeve with Eureka is addressed in their comment so of course I am quite happy with it!

Well I guess it your right to have an opinion to like something with no content, and something tht was delayed for so long for no content. I like more information why this was delayed for so long for no content, but I guess liking something prevents seeing how little there is to it. Surely you see there is not much to it that validates all the delays?

[Joe777]

Well I guess it your right to have an opinion to like something with no content, and something tht was delayed for so long for no content. I like more information why this was delayed for so long for no content, but I guess liking something prevents seeing how little there is to it. Surely you see there is not much to it that validates all the delays?

I see plenty to validate the delay. Quite a few new features (to FF14) exclusive to Eureka, debugging and bug fixing, that sort of thing. Content released too hastily is content full of problems (Zenimax specializes in causing this with The Elder Scrolls Online) and Eureka came with very few. This is a trend SE tends to follow when releasing all of their content in this game.

Furthermore, what makes you think your opinion is fact? Because you are certainly acting like it is, and it isn't. Your opinion is your opinion, everyone else's opinions are their opinions. Agree and disagree all you like but no one has any right to call someone out on their opinions saying they are wrong, regardless of whether that is intentional or not with what is said. In fact, that is all that these discussions seem to be turning into: a flame war. If anything, just agree to disagree and let it go. No reason to be so pushy with your opinions and try to make people sound like they are wrong for their opinions if they don't agree with you.

[Kaonis]

I see plenty to validate the delay. Quite a few new features (to FF14) exclusive to Eureka

And what new features would that be? The elemental system is the only new thing and its stupid simple. Everything else I guarantee you they copied the code from other areas of the game. The leveling system probably just needed a few minor tweaks after they copied it from PoTD.

Furthermore what makes you think your opinion is fact?

Right back at you.

If anything, just agree to disagree and let it go. No reason to be so pushy with your opinions and try to make people sound like they are wrong for their opinions if they don't agree with you.

Something something, pot and kettle.

Seriously people can dislike the content and can call it out for not being representative of 17 months development. And more so for calling it out for what it is, the third iteration of Diadem, something we were explicitly told it wouldn't be.

[Joe777]

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You're really trying to turn this around on me for pointing out what's going on when the people that have been adamantly protesting Eureka are the ones doing it? What are you trying to prove with such a farce? Seriously... Also I never once said my opinions are fact, but what I can say is fact or is as close to fact as logically plausible are reasons for delay. It's honestly obvious when you think about it, but some don't want to acknowledge it as something that can take time. To those people I say try it yourself sometime if you think it is so easy and doesn't require all the time invested. And don't give me any "I wouldn't try to do this anyway" retort because that's just an excuse. You also have to take into account they are constantly working on other content too. That can delay it as well. Had they worked on Eureka only then sure it may have come faster, but who can really say that is the case anyway? Working on other content alongside it may not be part of its delay. If anyone can provide me with solid proof that what I say is not fact but opinion then by all means go right ahead. At the very least, I'll say what I say is speculation of the fact based on logic.

As for the content I spoke of: The elemental levels and magia board, the cross-server "open world" instancing, those are the main things that required the most work to go off with little to no hitches. The rest is debugging to make sure it works properly at least. Everything else in Eureka isn't really new but may have required some debugging to make sure it meshes with the new stuff. And even though PotD has a similar leveling system, Eureka's ties to something else and is completely separate from our actual job levels as opposed to PotD basically "starting us over" until we hit 60, or syncing us to 60. Sure there is also the Aetherpool stats but those differ from how the Magia Board works.


Also I just noticed topics from other threads are spilling into this one. More proof that this is just becoming nothing but a pointless argument where people are trying to prove opinions superior to others, or just plain bash SE. I'm not gonna fault anyone for the latter as it isn't my place but it does kind of contradict the topic of this thread to do so here...

[Joe777]

It is not a nice reply though, why do you accept that? just because it is rare to get a reply? it shouldn't be like that. You also need to remember we lost a lot of content for 4.0 + to get this released, so the fact we got so little.. for that..?

I accept it because, unlike you and others of the same opinion, I actually like Eureka. Also my biggest pet peeve with Eureka is addressed in their comment so of course I am quite happy with it!

[NovaLevossida]

With their track record with anything in this game, no it is not obvious. We are not listened to.
Diadem 1.0
Diadem 2.0
Diadem 3.0
The same methods, the same mistakes.

Yes. It's extremely disappointing. The main thing people said was, "Don't make it like Diadem." So they pop out something that used Diadem 1.0 as a basis.

It feels like the team is creatively bankrupt and can't think of good ideas, choose the wrong ideas as inspiration (FFXI exp parties instead of FFXI's structured endgame), and can't give up on a failed idea, determined to make that square peg fit in a round hole if they only keep trying.

[dalta]

Yes. It's extremely disappointing. The main thing people said was, "Don't make it like Diadem." So they pop out something that used Diadem 1.0 as a basis.

It feels like the team is creatively bankrupt and can't think of good ideas, choose the wrong ideas as inspiration (FFXI exp parties instead of FFXI's structured endgame), and can't give up on a failed idea, determined to make that square peg fit in a round hole if they only keep trying.

honestly i would say its more the fault of yoshida never wanting to step away from the barebones basic mmo formula :/