We need better comunication with the Community team

[RokkuEkkusu]

I agree with you that communication with the Community Team should be improved. But I think the issue is whether the dev team cares in the long run. At the end of the day, as long as people want to go for the rewards despite shortcomings of the content provided and people sub for various reasons, the devs will assume people are satisfied.

[Ruf]

I agree with you that communication with the Community Team should be improved. But I think the issue is whether the dev team cares in the long run. At the end of the day, as long as people want to go for the rewards despite shortcomings of the content provided and people sub for various reasons, the devs will assume people are satisfied.

This explain the situation pretty well.

[Squintina]

Y’all need to stop complaining on the forums and actually play the content, numerous people are changing their opinions on eureka as they go through it.

Another converted player. HATED IT TO THE CORE day 1. Having fun with it now and as long as they update it, I think it'll last.

How meany posts do I need to read "oh it is fun with friends" to get the only reason this has any kind of suess is just on the fact there is something to do with friends, you can achieve that with anything. The work put into Eureka and seeing the effect it had on the game in 4.0 + does not measure up to the result. I think people are forgetting how much we lost for this no content place

And yes Eureka is "fun with friends" and friends can make everything better, but it's not just because of that.
It's also because it IS nice to have content where I don't just do that to get the boredom away (like MSQ roulette), I feel like I have to in order to play it well.

For people who aren't afk-ers, who actually push their groups to the limit (like oh...taking on 5-10 bears at a time while still being under their level), this can honestly feel even more intensive than savage and coordination between party members can become genuinely important, with tanks that actually feel like they have to be in tank stance, and healers that actually feel like they have to heal all the time or their group will wipe, and there isn't much other content in this game that can provide that except for doing massive highlevel mob pulls in Eureka.

I can't speak for everyone of course.

But I can say that not all people who are using voice chat with friends are doing so to get the boredom to go away, some of us are doing it because it feels well suited to playing the instance in an intensive manner - no different than how many people use VC in Savage.

I also think a lot of people understimate how much background work (things not very noticeable) must have been developed.
Nowhere else in the game can people switch parties in an instance. Nowhere else are there mobs based on weather or time. Nowhere else are fates spawned based on mobs being killed. These might seem trivial, but they all take development time, and those are the things that have been found (might be more).

With all the feedback, with all the threads, this is all we get? We get no dialog or spoken to? I am sure I am not the only one that feels ignored with the the big bomb Eureka turned out to be. I still do not understand why we got stripped and so little content from 4.0 + just for this to be delayed and delayed to get nothing. Eureka is no content to me, it might as well not exist.

I also think the response is just fine. They can't after 3 days mention more specific things as they need to review all the feedback, see what fits the direction they're going with, do man-hour estimates, etc... The most a community team member (or even a dev) would be able to say about anything that would be more significant than just changing loot tables is "We are reviewing other feedback for further updates in the future" - and that's hardly necessary. Surely it's obvious that if they read enough feedback to know people don't like the loot box sparklers/untradable rewards, then they've also seen all the other feedback and are thinking of ways to make the community happy.

[Vstarstruck]

I also think the response is just fine. They can't after 3 days mention more specific things as they need to review all the feedback, see what fits the direction they're going with, do man-hour estimates, etc... The most a community team member (or even a dev) would be able to say about anything that would be more significantthan just changing loot tables is "We are reviewing other feedback for further updates in the future" - and that's hardly necessary. Surely it's obvious that if they read enough feedback to know people don't like the loot box sparklers/untradable rewards, then they've also seen all the other feedback and are thinking of ways to make the community happy.

With their track record with anything in this game, no it is not obvious. We are not listened to.
Diadem 1.0
Diadem 2.0
Diadem 3.0
The same methods, the same mistakes.
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I guess you missed the post that spoke on the lack of interaction with the PvP issues and the PvP forum for one of the comments to putting everything in one thread. Because that is proof that method to these forum also does not work in being heard.

It's easy to say "Consolidate your feedback.", but we've been doing that for years in the PvP forum, and get an SE post once every 6 months if we're lucky.

I am not asking for Rome in a day, I am not asking to give us more changes, I am asking for MORE COMMUNICATION and INTERACTION, like them actually talking to us, not a copy/paste post that is posted somewhere in each language. I am also confused why that post was not posted in that one positive feedback thread where they spoke about lockboxes more (I even commented on lock box issues) So when you see a post out of context like that, it really makes me question how much they listen and and communicate with us.

You have to take into account the ratio of people that enjoy Eureka and people that don't enjoy Eureka, as well as how that ratio holds up to all the other content in the game when it was new/fresh. Do you honestly expect SE to just remove Eureka because some people don't enjoy it and put something else in its place? Even if they did that it would not happen right away, in fact probably not even for months.

That said, it is nice what reply we actually got. It's honestly something at least I didn't expect.

It is not a nice reply though, why do you accept that? just because it is rare to get a reply? it shouldn't be like that. You also need to remember we lost a lot of content for 4.0 + to get this released, so the fact we got so little.. for that..?

[Mahrze]

The same methods, the same mistakes.
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You lost me here. Not by him, not how insanity is defined. Please don't use it if you want to explain something. It's worse than beating a dead horse.

[Vstarstruck]

You lost me here. Not by him, not how insanity is defined. Please don't use it if you want to explain something. It's worse than beating a dead horse.

I did, you literally quoted my expatiation for it too.

the team releases diadem 1.0, it fails
Doing the same thing, but expecting different results, we got diadem 2.0
Diadem 2.0 fails
Doing the same thing, but expecting different results, we got diadem 3.0
Diadem 3.0 fails, and seen as diadem 3.0, despite SE saying it will not be like diadem.

Yes. It's extremely disappointing. The main thing people said was, "Don't make it like Diadem." So they pop out something that used Diadem 1.0 as a basis.

It feels like the team is creatively bankrupt and can't think of good ideas, choose the wrong ideas as inspiration (FFXI exp parties instead of FFXI's structured endgame), and can't give up on a failed idea, determined to make that square peg fit in a round hole if they only keep trying.

+1

I accept it because, unlike you and others of the same opinion, I actually like Eureka. Also my biggest pet peeve with Eureka is addressed in their comment so of course I am quite happy with it!

Well I guess it your right to have an opinion to like something with no content, and something tht was delayed for so long for no content. I like more information why this was delayed for so long for no content, but I guess liking something prevents seeing how little there is to it. Surely you see there is not much to it that validates all the delays?

[Joe777]

It is not a nice reply though, why do you accept that? just because it is rare to get a reply? it shouldn't be like that. You also need to remember we lost a lot of content for 4.0 + to get this released, so the fact we got so little.. for that..?

I accept it because, unlike you and others of the same opinion, I actually like Eureka. Also my biggest pet peeve with Eureka is addressed in their comment so of course I am quite happy with it!

[NovaLevossida]

With their track record with anything in this game, no it is not obvious. We are not listened to.
Diadem 1.0
Diadem 2.0
Diadem 3.0
The same methods, the same mistakes.

Yes. It's extremely disappointing. The main thing people said was, "Don't make it like Diadem." So they pop out something that used Diadem 1.0 as a basis.

It feels like the team is creatively bankrupt and can't think of good ideas, choose the wrong ideas as inspiration (FFXI exp parties instead of FFXI's structured endgame), and can't give up on a failed idea, determined to make that square peg fit in a round hole if they only keep trying.

[dalta]

Yes. It's extremely disappointing. The main thing people said was, "Don't make it like Diadem." So they pop out something that used Diadem 1.0 as a basis.

It feels like the team is creatively bankrupt and can't think of good ideas, choose the wrong ideas as inspiration (FFXI exp parties instead of FFXI's structured endgame), and can't give up on a failed idea, determined to make that square peg fit in a round hole if they only keep trying.

honestly i would say its more the fault of yoshida never wanting to step away from the barebones basic mmo formula :/

[xbahax92]

Whats the community team gonna do? Hand you a free relic? Lmao.

umm.. thats what they did? you can finish relic set in a few days... faster than any other relic step by far