We need better comunication with the Community team

[Starflake]

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1.Starting off with a strawman fallacy. Always a nice indicator or what's to come. I never claimed that people are not allowed to enjoy this content. I made that claim that regardless of enjoyment, it's very poor, predictable, boring and uncreative content.

2. Just because the same fomula is used elsewhere, does not excuse it being used in other content, nor does it make it any better. False equivalance. Both are boring. However, at least with dungeon, they didn't tell us that they would be new, creative and fun content! Eureka is basically dungeons, sure. If you ask me, both are terrible. But nicely done, again, attempting to misrepresent what I actually think.

3. Same as two really. Useless rewards in other dungeons do not excuse useless rewards in Eureka.

4. Same as 2 and 3. You are just proving my point in this post, I don't know if you noticed. I said exactly this, that none of the content is original or creative. By you saying dumb stuff like "Never happend before in this game"! sarcastically, as you do in 5, you ultimately strenghten my point. Is this really the logic Eureka defenders utilise? That would explain a thing or two.
PS: I'm level 17.

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Tldr: I claim that none of the content in Eureka is new, creative or engaging. This Einstein says other content is exactly like in Eureka! Great thinking there mate.

[MageBlack]

Question OP:

How would you prioritize feedback if you were SE? Would you reply to every point of contention? What kind of feedback would you consider acceptable?

Lets look at housing, to this day its a highly contentious subject. Many conflicting ideas on how it could be handled or "fixed" have been presented and they have responded basically "working as intended". Now I know your OP was directly tied to Eureka (since I saw you posting on almost every Eureka thread) but aside from some minor adjustments (Mob prioritizing, adjust turn-in's) what if everything else was working as intended? They have already posted there are some drop adjustments coming and a level sync function, and a few other things came out of that walk. Which brings me to another question, should the devs be posting a translation to every interview they do outside the official channels? Should the nico nico interviews be posted here in full by the devs? Translate to all languages too?

Another case in point, see the image below. Does this need addressing and is this worthy of immediate action?



I'm not saying you are wrong to ask for more communication, I know I scour the interwebs for information every now and then but I also know I can come here and if i can wade through all the junk posts, there is the occasional good gem of information that the wonderful playerbase finds then posts here. Have you ever had to work in customer service? been a cashier at a supermarket or tech support or anything like that? If you have I'm sure you have your own horror stories about really stupid customers and their equally stupid complaints. This is the forums. Idiotic complaints pop up faster than you could swat them down and end up making it more difficult for legitimate concerns to be heard and answered properly.

[Xtrasweettea]

Yay!

1.Starting off with a strawman fallacy. Always a nice indicator or what's to come. I never claimed that people are not allowed to enjoy this content. I made that claim that regardless of enjoyment, it's very poor, predictable, boring and uncreative content. .

It’s the internet. Everything is a strawman argument, including this very statement.

Let's look at what you wrote originally:

It makes me absolutely sad, really, that there are people out there who excuse this content under the banner that they enjoy it. You can enjoy it all you want, that does not change how terrible Eureka actually is.

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You are “sad” which gives me the impression that you have some sort of superior moral stance that I do not have. You feel sad because others do not have the same mind-set as you have perceived on this topic. This is form of shaming language.

“I feel sad that you went and hung out with those kids down the street when I stated I don’t like them.”

“I feel sad that you like these specific groups of friends, even though I do not like them.”

This is high school level manipulation language you are doing. I’ve seen teenage girls spout this line of thinking to pressure their other female friends to “get in line.” You got the same shit going on here.

2. Just because the same fomula is used elsewhere, does not excuse it being used in other content, nor does it make it any better. False equivalance. Both are boring. However, at least with dungeon, they didn't tell us that they would be new, creative and fun content! Eureka is basically dungeons, sure. If you ask me, both are terrible. But nicely done, again, attempting to misrepresent what I actually think.

You took in the information and hyped that shit up yourself. You are disappointed that your expectations didn’t match what was given. You had something in your mind that SE didn’t give you. You have a mismatch of expectations of outcomes.

You should have taken in the information and just have said “Let’s see when it comes out” and not get an expectation in your head.

3. Same as two really. Useless rewards in other dungeons do not excuse useless rewards in Eureka.

Exactly what I said. I gave SE the excuse to do that. Blame me!

4. Same as 2 and 3. You are just proving my point in this post, I don't know if you noticed. I said exactly this, that none of the content is original or creative. By you saying dumb stuff like "Never happend before in this game"! sarcastically, as you do in 5, you ultimately strenghten my point.

I did not know Strawman was a support class! I thought it was a Tank class! Glad you cleared that up for me.

Or, you think I strengthened your argument with my sarcasm because you actually have no real argument or point. You are just bitching because you still have expectations versus realty mismatch.

If you actually fight the mobs and not AFK, you will notice that almost every mob type has a different move set. Take the toads outside of the starting area. None of them use their tongue to hook you, and they also have a ranged burst AOE attack. No other toad that I know of does this. How about those level 6 grenades near Klauser’s? They don’t self destruct, instead they periodically use a quick from-center AOE attack.

Is this really the logic Eureka defenders utilise? That would explain a thing or two.

We all think this exact same way. We have weekly meetings where we lay out talking points. We have all the self-identified women weave outfits for our strawmen. Last week we had a guest speaker who shared with us proper deflecting techniques.

PS: I'm level 17.

GG, good job at AFKing for NM trains.

[Starflake]

Yay!

But it is indeed quite sad that this content, which is a repeat of anything else in this game has to offer, it still met positively and seen as refreshing. Obviously, it isn't.
I was never hyped for Eureka, as I always thought it would be more of the same. What is the point you're trying to make here though. Does being hyped for certain content excuse the lack of creativity or innovative thinking? I don't think so. Hype has nothing to do with my disliking of Eureka.
You are trying to mask your lack of arguments through witty and sarcastic remarks. You have actually adressed very little. What exactly about what I said is wrong?

Tell me how Eureka is not boring, repetitive, not creative. Tell me how I am wrong about reskins and redesigns. Mobs having different movesets? Please, barely. Cyclops good example, just the same as any other one. No new mechanics at all, really. Everything has been seen before. But I rest easy now, knowing that the grenades do a quick explosive aoe around them. Such creativity. Eureka is saved!

You can try and sarcastically weave around your insanely stupid remark that Eureka is just like all the other mindless and boring content out there and therefore it's a-okay! It won't fare with me, as it is just that, plain stupidity. Sorry I have to put it so bluntly, but no amount of witty sarcasm will make up for that huge blunder of an "argument".

[Ruf]

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I can do a lot of sarcasm & I personally find it pretty well done at times, but I must admit that you got me beat.
KIDDING, that was really bad, such a failure at trying to counterargument Starflake true posts. I feel the same, I'm not lv17 in eureka but I will be there eventually because I go to help someone else that want to do it while I completely despise it & as others say I contribute to se metric I guess,but that doesn't change the fact that this metric & that game mentality is poop, also someone spoke about ffxi vets into another post (well dang too bad I cant speak about them either/coughcough) but yea its been said that 11 is uncomparable to eureka,ppl are in there for many reasons & while some ppl like it, you dont truthfully know how many players do dislike it but I sure as heck can read what ppl have to say about it (the one's not doing sarcasm).

P.s: MAIN TOPIC: I am surprised nobody replyed/commented to this:

I really wish we had a live chat

[Remedi]

It's possible to have a discussion of different opinions without it beign derailed into a flame war pls?

[MageBlack]

It's possible to have a discussion of different opinions without it beign derailed into a flame war pls?

Unfortunately flaming is the only thing people respond to...

[Xtrasweettea]

Yay again!

But it is indeed quite sad that this content, which is a repeat of anything else in this game has to offer, it still met positively and seen as refreshing. Obviously, it isn't.

Yeah, it is met positively and seen as refreshing by “those people”. “Those people” are the one’s that make you feel “sad,” because you do not see the content like they do.

You are too “woke” and they are not.

See the problem. This content isn’t seen as refreshing to you. You are the variable you keep leaving out of this. Own your stuff.

I was never hyped for Eureka, as I always thought it would be more of the same. What is the point you're trying to make here though. Does being hyped for certain content excuse the lack of creativity or innovative thinking? I don't think so. Hype has nothing to do with my disliking of Eureka.

Your complaining speaks differently. You have something in mind that you want with Eureka versus the reality. You are not telling anyone what you wanted, instead you are complaining about what is there.

What is it that you wanted with Eureka? What new and refreshing content you would have like to have seen?

All I see is the same complaining that is in your post in other posts.

You are trying to mask your lack of arguments through witty and sarcastic remarks. You have actually adressed very little. What exactly about what I said is wrong?

I never had an argument, just like you never had any. You are just complaining with the same exact complaints that everyone else is bitching about. Just like everyone else with the same complaints you are:
-Not telling anyone what you wanted with Eureka
-Still participating in Eureka even though you don’t like it.

I imagine you “playing” Eureka like I play dungeons, ½ way paying attention and wish I could AFK full time.

Tell me how Eureka is not boring, repetitive, not creative. Tell me how I am wrong about reskins and redesigns. Mobs having different movesets? Please, barely. Cyclops good example, just the same as any other one. No new mechanics at all, really. Everything has been seen before. But I rest easy now, knowing that the grenades do a quick explosive aoe around them. Such creativity. Eureka is saved!

You are not wrong on reskins and redesigns. The difference here: you care greatly, and I couldn’t care less. That’s the different.

As for the move sets, stop AFKing and try to actually pay attention to moves, you will notice a difference for almost every mob. It’s even more notable when you solo the mobs.

You can try and sarcastically weave around your insanely stupid remark that Eureka is just like all the other mindless and boring content out there and therefore it's a-okay! It won't fare with me, as it is just that, plain stupidity. Sorry I have to put it so bluntly, but no amount of witty sarcasm will make up for that huge blunder of an "argument".

You want to know what I think of Eureka, get ready to have your mind blown:

Eureka is SE openly stating that everything in this game is getting a value to “0.” Whether that be killing a mob to set its HP to “0,” clicking on an glittering thing that sets its tag value to “0”, or crafting to set those component values to “0” , etc. the whole game is that. Eureka is just getting to “0” bluntly.

No need to run through a dungeon to give the illusion of progression to the next things to get to “0”, here are a bunch of mobs, zero them out. SE tells us to give them enough “0”s or zeroing mobs out of a specific placeholder to give you a bigger mob to zero out for lolboxes that you will zero out for stuff.

That’s it. Nothing spectacular. Nothing grand epiphany, no great defense of Eureka. I just see this as SE telling us openly “it’s just getting something to zero, we just package it differently.” The packaging appeals to me as well SE’s bluntness.

Your bluntness is very appreciated. It is one of the freedoms that the internet allows bluntness. Not being sarcastic here.




A wild Ruf appears!

I feel the same, I'm not lv17 in eureka but I will be there eventually because I go to help someone else that want to do it while I completely despise it & as others say I contribute to se metric I guess,but that doesn't change the fact that this metric & that game mentality is poop, also someone spoke about ffxi vets into another post (well dang too bad I cant speak about them either/coughcough) but yea its been said that 11 is uncomparable to eureka,ppl are in there for many reasons & while some ppl like it, you dont truthfully know how many players do dislike it but I sure as heck can read what ppl have to say about it (the one's not doing sarcasm).

What’s your argument here?

-Eureka doesn’t compare to FFXI? Well no shit. I played FFXI from US release to several months into Audolin expansion. Eureka isn’t FFXI, it’s just killing mobs and spawning bosses in a giant room for drops. There’s just no linear path from point A to point B like dungeons, beyond The Train (which players made that)

-You are unfortunately contributing to a metric that others will shame you for contributing to?

-Game mentality is poop?

-I truthfully don’t know how many players do dislike Eureka? No shit, neither do you. Most of the posts in “First Impressions” are complaints, yes, but they are also the same people posting in the thread. So we don’t have any real numbers. Forums are just a small percent of the population.

What’s your point on engaging me, beyond rambling and trying to White Knight Star?

[Divinemights]

He has no argument, that is his own words in other thread.
Don't engage.

[Xtrasweettea]

It's possible to have a discussion of different opinions without it beign derailed into a flame war pls?

Nope, not entertaining.

Though, not sarcastically, we cannot have a discussion about different opinions as long as people are not open sharing with others what they really wanted about something. For example: people complaining about Eureka, but not stating what they wanted Eureka to be like (ie: their expectations).