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    Quote Originally Posted by ko_ View Post
    You get mean post from other people in these kinds of threads cause it just screams of seeking attention. If OP really wanted to leave he would've just left and not wasted his time posting it on the forums. In every forum ever since the dawn of the internet noone cares why you're leaving said game. It's never been anything other then " bye" Or various memes people made for these kinds of things. I'm not saying it's right to call him out or whatever but you can't blame people for being sick of these kinds of threads and then posting they are sick of these threads when he posted it in the first place. Yes we don't have to read it.. but on the same coin.. he didn't need to post it either.
    or you know.. they might want to return IF the game has certain changes made and this is a way to relay those wants or requests.


    so when you unsub it just stops. There's no exit survey as far as I know. Numbers of people unsubbing matter but providing further information harms NOTHING and provides further feedback that may or may not be read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ko_ View Post
    You get mean post from other people in these kinds of threads cause it just screams of seeking attention.
    So if he does seek attention the adult way to handle this is by being mean to him, stalk his profile and so on? If you (as in the people) think that he is just doing that to get attention why not just ignore its post? Because with every single post that the other side do will just keep the thread on the front line thus giving it more attention. I am just always a bit baffled that people cant just ignore some threads. I dont go into everyone and if I dislike a thread I still stay mostly on topic for this.

    I am on the forum a lot and I dont see such threads that often..and again..people dont need to read them. x)

    (And if you look at the first and second post they are nearly the same amount of likes, so yes a lot people dont like his post but also quite a lot of people agree with him)
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    Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX Q&A Summary (10/30/2013)
    Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
    A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    the adult way to handle this
    The adult way to quit the game would have been to Keyser Soze it off into the sunset, not by coming to the OF to kick and scream like a baby. If he had placed all of his eggs in the Eureka basket, he had already made up his mind before the content even came out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoFeru View Post

    All I did was check if he was telling the truth and, for now, he wasn't. That's all.
    You can't! 1 month does not prove anything. I see what kind of a poster you are, a person that starts flame wars and does not read what the person is saying. If I sub 6 months at a time, and it just happened to auto renew just before 4.25 then what? It is not your place to judge people. Trying to insult me by being passive/aggressive "I know what kind of poster you are" but then turns around and ends up doing what I am being accessed of. There is a word to define such speech, hypocrite, usually responded to "kettle black" for the internet slang. You are only here to promote flame war, and you dislike I called you out on it, so now you are scrambling to defend yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elixirboy View Post
    The adult way to quit the game would have been to Keyser Soze it off into the sunset, not by coming to the OF to kick and scream like a baby. If he had placed all of his eggs in the Eureka basket, he had already made up his mind before the content even came out.
    Nope, the point of these forums are for leaving feedback, what the adult thing to do, is not make posts that you are making. I know this game does not do this but on WoW they encourage you to make a post on why you are leaving and what you think. So you have no place to be posting like you are, esp when the person is used to such a system.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tridus View Post
    That's still how it is. Would be worth changing, that's a valuable feedback opportunity they're not taking advantage of.
    +1, I agree. last time I done it it was still the same and none of the options fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoFeru View Post
    If somebody is mad enough to unsub, that person wouldn't be doing hunts or leveling new jobs. I just checked achievements since they provide a date.The real question should be: How can you prove he unsubscribed? For now, everything points that he just didn't.

    Don't worry, I can check on May again I just wanted to prove my point that almost every single thread that starts with a "I unsubbed because" is just a lie.
    this post was already addressed long in the past so why are you posting again?
    Quote Originally Posted by Vstarstruck View Post
    If I sub 6 months at a time, and it just happened to auto renew just before 4.25 then what? It is not your place to judge people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elixirboy View Post
    The adult way to quit the game would have been to Keyser Soze it off into the sunset, not by coming to the OF to kick and scream like a baby. If he had placed all of his eggs in the Eureka basket, he had already made up his mind before the content even came out.
    And I find it sad that seemingly someone is a baby because they came to the general forum where you talk about the game and where even GM said that people post some problems and point out why they will not continue to play the game. And instead of just either ignoring it or just talk about it in a normal way people go out of their way to insult him.

    You do know that the customers that go silently are the worst for a company? Because with them they wont know why thus cant get better. He said his deal, he did not attack the playerbase in his first post. He just showed how long he played, that he loved the game but that he want certain changes and that he is disappointed. And yet some answers feel like he attacked the people personally..Again this kind of feedback is a million time better then no feedback at all. Even Yoshida himself said that once..
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    Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX Q&A Summary (10/30/2013)
    Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
    A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    So if he does seek attention the adult way to handle this is by being mean to him, stalk his profile and so on? If you (as in the people) think that he is just doing that to get attention why not just ignore its postt?
    You know most forums have goodbye threads being against the rules. I say that as my entire point was people don't like them and attack those threads cause 99% of the time it's just for attention. Yes they don't have to be mean or go " bye " or whatever.. BUT again.. he didn't NEED to post it. Both sides are wrong is what I was trying to get at. I had a question but it's pointless as it feels like noone reads and is going off emotion lately cause of this patch. :c`
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    Quote Originally Posted by ko_ View Post
    You know most forums have goodbye threads being against the rules. I say that as my entire point was people don't like them and attack those threads cause 99% of the time it's just for attention. Yes they don't have to be mean or go " bye " or whatever.. BUT again.. he didn't NEED to post it. Both sides are wrong is what I was trying to get at. I had a question but it's pointless as it feels like noone reads and is going off emotion lately cause of this patch. :c`
    Telling OP he's in the wrong for posting is victim blaming. This is a forum for discussion about the game, he posted a neutral farewell post about why he was leaving. Even if he went after the people calling him stupid and telling him to quit in the way they deem proper, he has every right to express why he wants to leave. It's not really for us to judge his unknowable circumstances beyond what he's posted, nor attempt to shame him for somehow doing it wrong. And as others have said companies LIKE knowing why customers leave. Especially when they can point to specific examples. Even if YoshiP himself does not grace this thread with his presence to personally thank the OP there are people who collect player feedback and pass it on.
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    Is everyone missing the point that goodbye threads are mostly sen as attention seeking? That was my only point. People are acting like we LIKE goodbye threads. Every thread like this has ben met with " Why? Just leave noone cares" On just about every single forum ever on the net. Why is it now all of sudden ok?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ko_ View Post
    You know most forums have goodbye threads being against the rules. I say that as my entire point was people don't like them and attack those threads cause 99% of the time it's just for attention. Yes they don't have to be mean or go " bye " or whatever.. BUT again.. he didn't NEED to post it. Both sides are wrong is what I was trying to get at. I had a question but it's pointless as it feels like noone reads and is going off emotion lately cause of this patch. :c`
    And yet threads like that are not closed or moved by the GMs. Still even if its often for attention (and what if its the 1% that is genuie, they will still be attacked the same way) people still can ignore it or be decent. I could understand a bad reaction if he called the forum and its poster bad names, if he behaved like a child or things like that. He simply posted the amount of hours, that he loved the game and what he would see changed. The only a bit strange sentence was the one where he kinda talked like he was speaking for others too but that is honestly not that bad. Again: There is simply no way to tell SE why you go, Yoshida himself stated that critisism is worth way more than a compliment and a silent lost customer is way worse than someone that write the reason. Its fine if people are annoyed but they could have simply ignored the thread. In this case imo only the other side is wrong because he simply did not attack anyone. He posted one thread..not a couple, or anything. One. At the same time we have enough of threads that are nothing put pure trolling and things like that.

    But as soon as the rare thread pops up where someone says that they are unsubbing some people feel the need to insult.

    Quote Originally Posted by ko_ View Post
    I dunno .. just feels like people are only defending him cause he agrees with the content opinion. I feel like if he didn't the reponse here would be completely different. Maybe I'm wrong but that's just the opinion I'm getting from how hostle everyone seems.
    I cant speek for everyone else but I would still feel bad even if I disagree with the person . I read through the OP and if its interesting I will either post my opinion on it and/or leave a like. If I find it strange or not worth the time I just close the thread and be done with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by ko_ View Post
    Is everyone missing the point that goodbye threads are mostly sen as attention seeking? That was my only point. People are acting like we LIKE goodbye threads. Every thread like this has ben met with " Why? Just leave noone cares" On just about every single forum ever on the net. Why is it now all of sudden ok?
    Please dont post this as if its a fact. I dont see such threads as attention seeking because I can understand the mindset behind that. Not everyone in this forum needs attention. Some just simply want to post their opinion. The only ones that I truly see as attention seeking are those that create pure troll threads that are answers for other controversial threads or topics. Those have imo no place in this forum because they just exist to greate havoc between the player base. You dont have to like every single thread that is posted in the general forum. If people are interested in it they will answer and if not they will just ignore it and thus it will fall off.

    Also just because this kind of answer were part of a lot of forum does not suddenly make it right. Maybe its a common problem in game forums that some (not all!) people simply cant take critisism of their game and someone leaving it because they take it personal? (Just an way for me to explain such behavior) I know myself how defensive I can become if I like something very much and someone dares to have negative opinions of this. That does not make my act right. (Especially if its constructive critisism.)
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    Last edited by Alleo; 03-21-2018 at 08:14 AM.
    Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX Q&A Summary (10/30/2013)
    Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
    A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

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