Concern on the current state of FFXIV, and future content

[AnakhaSilver]

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Perform is new and people have complained about it. Glamour dresser is pretty new as it's a completely new glamour system closer to what people want. PotD wasn't exactly well-received so much as people dealt with it because it was a decent way to level other classes. Ultimate is new, it's an entirely new raid tier, so don't discount it, either. People keep calling for new content, but then being vague about what they'd even want. Just "new and different." I honestly makes me feel that nothing short of a miraculous, game-rewriting element will make people happy at this point.

[Tinibou]

I don't know what people even want anymore. I've been here years, and every single time SE has tried something Different And New, the playerbase has pretty much hated it. But then, when they stick to formula, which MMOs live and die by, they complain, too. The devs just can't win at this point.

What the heck DO you guys want besides the nebulous "something creative and new?" Because Square sure has tried.

Sure, Eureka is something rather new. But when people are asking something creative and new, they do not ask for something lame. That's the difference. And they should stop listening to players, and just do what they want to do with their game. It's pretty incredible the amount of time, energy and money they have invested on things that are just useless or bad designed.

[Cath]

This is simply true. I feel the same way about FFXIV and Eureka is a bad step in the wrong direction. 17 months for something that could have been done by a student group in a month. There are games coming out of 48 h GameJams that have more content.

I really hope they can get it together or I see the same falling apart soon because many people I know, that play this for years upon years now, are getting annoyed at the lack of actual content. And as OP has pointed out, we love the game despite its flaws. So please do something about it.

[AnakhaSilver]

Sure, Eureka is something rather new. But when people are asking something creative and new, they do not ask for something lame. That's the difference. And they should stop listening to players, and just do what they want to do with their game. It's pretty incredible the amount of time, energy and money they have invested on things that are just useless or bad designed.

Again, not just about Eureka. They try to bring new content, and no matter what, it's panned. "Something creative and new that's not lame!" Okay like? I don't see people answering with anything not vague as all heck.

[Fawkes]

What the heck DO you guys want besides the nebulous "something creative and new?" Because Square sure has tried. People were asking for a very generic "let me do something more with my minions" and so added Lord of Verminion... But because Square didn't read their minds, the hated it. They asked for a harder raid difficulty, and then Ultimate came and people whined it was locked or Too Hard or Too Random. Asked for glamour to be redone, it's in the process of it and the preliminary stuff has been released and people complain about THAT. And I just sit here and watch and wonder what people ACTUALLY WANT because nothing seems to satisfy beyond "completely new game each expansion."

People asked for pokemon battles with minions and they made a singleplayer moba.


And I think people are right to complain about the new glamour. They're "in the process" but Yoshi already said they can only increase the number of plates or the number of places you can change them, but not both. For whatever reason the new system is already hitting its limits, so even if they're still going to change it they're basically admitting it's DoA and can never be the system we actually want.

[Remedi]

Sure, Eureka is something rather new. But when people are asking something creative and new, they do not ask for something lame. That's the difference. And they should stop listening to players, and just do what they want to do with their game. It's pretty incredible the amount of time, energy and money they have invested on things that are just useless or bad designed.

Asking for something new and innovative is probably the most vague feedback possible

[Faeon]

People asked for pokemon battles with minions and they made a singleplayer moba.


And I think people are right to complain about the new glamour. They're "in the process" but Yoshi already said they can only increase the number of plates or the number of places you can change them, but not both. For whatever reason the new system is already hitting its limits, so even if they're still going to change it they're basically admitting it's DoA and can never be the system we actually want.

What this game needs is a dynamic system, not static based due to the sheer amount of items/things people do or want to do. Glamour will need to auto-expand same goes for housing and other systems etc. Currently, everything is basically static based and to increase the number of things it needs is no easy task or cannot be done at all.

[Gleipni]

very great constructive post, it point really nicely the flaw of the game.

SE really need to invest more to make the game moves,we see less and less content,what will it be next year ? 1dungeon and 1 trial every 6 month ?

[Tinibou]

Asking for something new and innovative is probably the most vague feedback possible

It's not what I said. I just quoted two facts.

1) People seem to ask for new and innovative content
2) SE create contents that look new and kinda innovative but technically, each time, it's a mess, it's buggy, it's already full of limits or, for purely game content like Eureka, it's totally not interesting.

That's what Fawkes also say. People ask for something, they make something else and/or buggy and/or uninteresting. That are just facts.

[Dzian]

Here's the thing though: As has been stated before, the forums only represent a handful of the playerbase.

Yes and No. It's certainly true that perhaps only a fraction of players actualy use the forums. But that doesn't invalidate there concerns as just a minority problem and that everyone else is happy because they don't say anything.

There has been literally billions of dollars of research done over the yesrs into this sort of thing in practically all areas of consumerism and has been proven time and time again that the "vocal minority" as they're often dubbed actually represents a much larger segment of your consumer base.

This is true in every aspect of business. Right down to a restaurant. If you served 100 customers that night and 2 complained about the service. it doesn't mean the other 98 were happy with the service they got.
It's a pretty common figure that for every person who complains 27 more share that complaint but just aren't vocal. They'll simply not go to that restaurant again and the owners will never know why...

Games are no different. Players pick up games, play them, don't like them drop them and never tell a developer why they don't like it. and stupidly developers rarely ever ask... then the sequal turns out to be a flop..

Yet the few players who do use forums and will speak there minds to developers actually represent a significant group of those silent players.

This game for example boasts over 10 million players yet only something like 5% are active.. thats 500k players.
Of those 500k players maybe 2000 use the forums and are called the vocal minority because everyone else who doesn't speak is apparantly happy with the game and loves it..

Yet they don't because while 498k active players may indeed like the game.
9.5 million obviously didn't for one reason or another or they'd still be playing and research suggests that you can be pretty sure a significant portion of that 9.5 million players agreed with the 2000 players that are vocal...

This is basically what happened in 1.0. The concerns players bought up were simply shrugged off as a "vocal minority".
Everyone else is happy with the game. They love it It's al roses la la la la la la. Song and Dance.
OMG!! where the hell did all the players go...

It's also what happened to Ubisoft with the division. An absolutely amazing launch and then it suddenly tanked real hard and real fast because they didn't listen to the consumer base and shrugged it off as "vocal minority". It was so bad they put out a massive apology. (no pun) did a pretty large u turn and started to do weekly broadcasts about player issues. Not only that they even paid for a load of players flights and hotels to visit the studios for a few days and help them fix things....

2 glaring examples of how the small forum community represents a massive segment of the players and should never be dismissed as a vocal minority.

I never played Destiny but I gather the same kind of thing happened there as well.