“Don't like poor play? Use a static!” thoughts

[Lunafreya]

Sometimes PUGS are better. I’m not gonna lie.

[Seig345]

I understand the frustrations of not knowing what you’re going to run into when you DF PUG, but I just gotta ask one thing:

What the actual !$&@ is wrong with Mac n Cheese w/ Hotdogs?! Especially good Mac n cheese w/ good hotdogs, seriously now...

[MilanFrozen]

My twin actually enjoys doing harder content just so they can watch people die and then complete the content with men down. Not that they don't heal, but rather when others fail they find joy in watching them die. I'm the inverse, silently finding fault with everyone because I am an elitist . Though even as an elitist I recognize that I am and I don't treat people poorly or complain unless someone first complains at me. I also help if help is requested, but otherwise don't bother. I think though that it may be I am so conceited that I care little for others to the point of it being ok to deal with 'the peasantry'. Stuck up and full of myself sure, but I won't put you down or be a jerk unless you ask for the honesty.

[Penthea]

I’m curious to hear from anyone in a similar situation - do you feel like playing with more reasonable players makes you dread DFing things?

No. I expect people from DF and PF to be average at best, and I'm pleasantly surprised when they're better than that.

Keep your expectations realistic. People who play together often and can communicate with voice chat will most times be better than random people you meet. You don't know how random people play and they don't know how you play. You also generally are not in voice chat with random people. Of course the experience with them is far less likely to be amazing. These people are strangers and you can't communicate with them as easily.

[KaivaC]

You already know how I feel about poor play and the player base, and I got labeled an elitist for it...which is fine. It's one thing in leveling dungeons, and I have a much higher tolerance with sprouts...but for players that aren't sprouts and/or are not new in any sense of the word, I do have the expectation of average play. Unfortunately, it seems bad play is reinforced with silence, and a lot of attempts to correct that are met with claims of harassment or apathy on the part of the person you're generally trying to help. Recently, I have to admit, I'm starting to grow apathetic now. Seems like I should fall in line like a lot of other folks and just accept it for what it is.

[SenorPatty]

Seems like I should fall in line like a lot of other folks and just accept it for what it is.

To be fair, the other thing reinforcing bad play is that the DF dgns are all designed to be completed with minimal gameplay. That's SE's direction and M.O. when they create these dgns.

[KaivaC]

To be fair, the other thing reinforcing bad play is that the DF dgns are all designed to be completed with minimal gameplay. That's SE's direction and M.O. when they create these dgns.

I suppose you could say I'm starting to feel disillusioned in general. My feelings extend far beyond dungeons, tho...

[RiyahArp]

You'd end up in statics no matter what you did. If you made the game harder, those healers you dislike would prevent you from even running the instance successfully due to wipes. Or worse, there simply wouldn't be enough people willing to heal because of the difficulty. The way the game is now, the players who don't meet your skill threshold can at least play it; otherwise the game would just sort them out like it does with ex and savage content and people would just level alts instead of bothering with any endgame (which happened in FFXI some.)

there hasn't really been any hard, successful MMO. EVE online isn't even that hard, but there is a rep about full loot pvp that has persisted even though losses in EVE are trivial since you end up only flying ships to the level that you can replace them. The first time you lose that shiny new interceptor to a gate camp teaches you that. So you end up with a lot of people in relatively low-skill low difficulty roles, like mining or tackle, or disposable cruisers. And they rarely step out of "safe" gameplay.

This game really doesn't have that sort of flexibility. With FFXI you can just bring more people to a raid if you suck, and newbies could be raise bots or what have you, while the high skilled players main tank. Here its just everyone has to fufill their role perfectly or you wipe, so the bar is set low as to not make basic endgame impossible for many people. Idk why people keep raging against this; the higher the bar the worse the experience until all the low skill people just get sorted out of it.

[Yenyen]

So far nobody has called me bad but, I wish somebody would observe me and say "hey, would you maybe like a few pointers"
On the off chance somebody does call me bad, it's not very convincing with out proper criticism. (though I can't think of much advice I could receive as a healer, I do my job and can chat at the same time while dpsing or being lazy x3

All that said, when I do offer any advice for some reason it sometimes comes off to xxxxx person that I think they suck sadly.

There are some really nice, fun and nice to be around "bad players" who you can meet, I think it's a good trade for your sterotypical Veteran players.

[Moogly]

No.
I don't want to hurt anybody there, but I think OP thinking is a little pretentious.

So you're usually playing with first league football players.
This sunday, if you're playing with some random people on the beach, will you get frustrated at them because they're no good ?
Will you give them advice so that they get as good as the pro league players you usually play with ?
You get it ?
They will most probably not care.
They will eventually tell you : "give us break, go get a beer dude..."
Yea, you're surely right, they lack skill, teamwork, class...
But they don't care, it's sunday, and they're just wasted, trying to play a game while eating barbecue...

Roulette is exactly the same thing.
Can't you "elites" get that in your head ?

In the end, OP's post is useless as "bad players" don't even give a dam about what he thinks, or about all his strategizing/theorycrafting...
But it looks like some people need to have others know that they are "good" players encountering "bad" players....
I guess it gives them some confidence or a reason to show off :/

Don't want poor play ? Use a static.