Why going back 10 years doing Korean Farming Content?

[Remedi]

I haven't seen this, and I think it's a gross misrepresentation of general forum opinions.

I've seen people asking for a return of FFXI-style content. This isn't FFXI-style content. This is the FFXI-style grind coupled with the utter mindlessness of FFXIV-style content, creating an unholy marriage of mindless grinding a la the Atma stage of the 2.x Relic weapon. I haven't seen anyone asking for this.

What the OP is pointing out is that games like FFXI had smart mechanics introduced to help mitigate the feel of the grind. Things like skillchains and magic bursts and unique jobs meant that every time a party had to replace someone, the dynamic shifted a bit. Different monsters having fundamentally different mechanics meant every few levels, when your camp shifted, the feel of the battles was altered. Things like Level Sync mitigated one of the long-time complaints from the early days of FFXI. This was present in end-game content, too; rather than spamming Kirin all the times, people had to farm pop items from the lesser Gods, which themselves required pop items... all of which meant that people didn't burn out on Kirin within a few weeks, because you didn't run Kirin five times a day, seven days a week. Similar situation with Abyssea, wherein Lights and Atma and a varied mix of popped and non-popped NMs and items to chase kept the grind spaced out.

All of this was utterly ignored with Eureka, the result of which is an uninspired piece of content that nobody was asking for.

Maybe because that was tied to the combat system of another game which unless they shut the game down and rebuild it again it won't happen, but that doesn't stop some ppl to keep posting how the glory days of FFXI were better, well if you want to have FFXI with FFXI battle system the game is still up and is still beign worked, ppl should honestly stop asking for FFXI content to be added here because THIS will always happen.

[MomomiMomi]

Maybe because that was tied to the combat system of another game which unless they shut the game down and rebuild it again it won't happen, but that doesn't stop some ppl to keep posting how the glory days of FFXI were better, well if you want to have FFXI with FFXI battle system the game is still up and is still beign worked, ppl should honestly stop asking for FFXI content to be added here because THIS will always happen.

But it isn't even FFXI-style content like many have been asking for. It's not even Abyssea-style content which this is probably closest to. That had daily quests, ways outside of the content to make you stronger inside of the content. It had NMs you could pop manually. It had chests with nice loot drop from normal enemies. It had waves of enemies attack areas that you had to defend.

And that's all just in one type of FFXI content.

If this is an attempt to make FFxI-style content, then it isn't the fault of the players asking for it. It's the fault of the devs failing miserably at delivering it.

[alimdia]

I haven't seen this, and I think it's a gross misrepresentation of general forum opinions.

I know it's near impossible to read all replies in the thread I made, but there are several people in there who wanted exactly this.

[Vhailor]

Maybe because that was tied to the combat system of another game which unless they shut the game down and rebuild it again it won't happen, but that doesn't stop some ppl to keep posting how the glory days of FFXI were better, well if you want to have FFXI with FFXI battle system the game is still up and is still beign worked, ppl should honestly stop asking for FFXI content to be added here because THIS will always happen.

You know, this reminds me of a coworker I used to have. Every time they screwed something up, they'd just pass the blame: oh, well, we need to improve the processes; oh, well, it's just this client, they suck; oh, well, my computer was acting up; etc., etc., etc. Eventually, they got fired, because the company needs what it needs, it wants what it wants, and this individual wasn't delivering the way other people were.

SE is in a similar situation with FFXIV. They have a significant number of people still wanting FFXI-style content, at least alongside everything else that FFXIV does well. We continue to get uninspired, brainless grinds instead. They've got a choice: they can continue to pass the buck, as you seem to be (oh, different game, different time, different battle system, this is the best we can do), or they can find a solution, build the content. It's entirely their choice - but it absolutely is a choice. There is no outside force, no mysterious entity, that is somehow preventing the development team from emulating more of FFXI's mechanics in certain content. So, I will continue to demand better as long as I'm playing, and I will lay the blame for failures where it belongs: at SE's feet, not on some predetermined outcome foisted upon us by FFXIV's combat system.

I know it's near impossible to read all replies in the thread I made, but there are several people in there who wanted exactly this.

I think people may have trouble communicating their desires with 100% clarity, but I maintain that I've never seen anyone asking for a boring, mindless, difficult grind. Virtually every grind-related complaint can be traced back to a desire for meaningful difficulty, or a desire for a deeper, more complex game world, or simply something entertaining that can occupy a player for longer periods of time. These requests are antithetical to mindless content, because mindless content, almost by definition, isn't meaningful, deep, complex, or entertaining for long periods of time.

[Reynhart]

I think people may have trouble communicating their desires with 100% clarity, but I maintain that I've never seen anyone asking for a boring, mindless, difficult grind.

Considering that every existing grind in FFXIV is aready boring and mindless, all they did was add difficulty. Which is enough to feel "new" in the FFXIV universe even if it's an old MMO concept.
The simple fact that it doesn't involve tomestones makes it appealing for me.

[NovaLevossida]

Considering that every existing grind in FFXIV is aready boring and mindless, all they did was add difficulty. Which is enough to feel "new" in the FFXIV universe even if it's an old MMO concept.
The simple fact that it doesn't involve tomestones makes it appealing for me.

Even then, about players communicating desires with clarity, the single most stated sentiment on the forums while they were developing this content was "don't make it Diadem."

...yeah. :/

[Avatre]

I haven't seen this, and I think it's a gross misrepresentation of general forum opinions.

I think it was SE interpretation of people saying "NO MORE FATE GRINDS!" and stuff along those lines, since technically...we aren't grinding FATEs anymore for the relic(well, not entirely...do need to do FATEs to get the Anemos crystals which as a friend told me are needed for the +2 gears). That I think is how most people are getting to the "people asked for it" statement.

[Usho]

Back to the drawing board SE. It's a STIFF.

[Roda]

Eureka really makes you appreciate how much mmos have improved over the years.
It's like an intractable museum about blood letting and surgeries without anesthesia.

[Ghastly]

This is why the devs say the community doesn't know what they want
Give them dungeons and people complain
Give them raids like omega, they complain
Give them FATES, they complain
Give them something like FFXI (Eureka) and they complain

So basically we want nothing.