Eureka - from a FFXI point of view

[Binahel]

I have played FFXI since day one on PC, in my LS we had a printout of all the spells in japanese to know what to cast because I started even before the US realease, and I think nobody would be happier than me to see a whole chunk of FFXIV of game I spent litteraly years playing, copyed here. The fact is that this is just the boring and repetitive part of FFXI without anything remotely similar to keep the pace up (I'm not even using the word fun) without even considering the fact that even FFXI itself tried to drift away from such a grind-Party system.

It's like a Merit Party without a BRD to sleep the adds - if you know what I mean XD (and I even liked to do those, back in time)

[NovaLevossida]

It's like a Merit Party without a BRD to sleep the adds - if you know what I mean XD (and I even liked to do those, back in time)

I know exactly what you mean. The only actual joy I have gotten out of Eureka so far is finding that CC worked in there as I slept adds the party wasn't ready to handle on BLM.

[Binahel]

I know exactly what you mean. The only actual joy I have gotten out of Eureka so far is finding that CC worked in there as I slept adds the party wasn't ready to handle on BLM.

It was a joy for me too - for a brief moment I had that "YAY I am a BRD with Lullaby again and I can sleep" but then the sleep lasts 3 seconds, everybody dots everything and after the second cast the mobs fully resist
it's a nightmare

[NovaLevossida]

It was a joy for me too - for a brief moment I had that "YAY I am a BRD with Lullaby again and I can sleep" but then the sleep lasts 3 seconds, everybody dots everything and after the second cast the mobs fully resist
it's a nightmare

I've been able to save lives if they're smart enough to want to be saved. As you've noted, most aren't...

[Binahel]

anyway I just wanted to point out the slides that Yoshida presented some times ago

"If you are not having fun, you are making wrong?"

what is the fun in this Yoshida? WHAT?

[Krotoan]

Stand in one place, drag monsters to your party and chain kills until you've outleveled the area or you just can't stand it anymore. Sounds like the FFXI I remember. I'll admit I haven't tried it yet, I will when I go home tonight.. but wheres the "FFXI is better" guy? I'd love to hear their take on this.

[Bobs]

There is no reason to think "this is it"

No one is even max level in it yet. There is no reason to assume there won't be a dynamis type experience latter down the line. We are literally in the starting zone.

I mean yes, if the max gear you could ever get is i350; then yes it is a waste of time. I would assume latter you will be able to upgrade that gear. Hopefully to whatever the new max ilvl is.

I doubt they would take the time to add what is basically a whole new zone without thinking of what the future for it is.

add: I just think people are pissed they are not max level in one day.

[Binahel]

There is no reason to think "this is it"

No one is even max level in it yet. There is no reason to assume there won't be a dynamis type experience latter down the line. We are literally in the starting zone.

that is what I hope too, but seeing the past content, I doubt it a bit.

[Vahlnir]

-snip-

I don't think this is it, but it's also not a great start.

[Dzian]

I think when people say they want content XI style they mean structured stuff not an exp party.

For example Sky, Sea and Dynamis Were all massive grindfests but the key point is they had structure. Something that's missing from all of XIVs endgame. XIV is pretty much enter an instance arena kill a boss and done or go back and enter again if you didn't get a drop... no structure to any of it as it's all pretty much just single instances.

Compare to Sky for example in XI. Your group would go up there and begin by grinding the hell out of robots sometimes for an hour or 2 to try and make an nm pop (Despot) then you'd go and grind Golems for maybe another hour or so to make another nm pop. Or weapons for another one. Each of these grinds had an objective and a purpose. And it was all structured. All of those nm dropped keys.

If you got 2 keys (I'll use keys for simplicity) you could then unlock and fight one of the bosses which then gave you a seal if you beat them. And once you farmed all the keys and defeated all the 4 bosses you were then able to use those 4 seals to spawn the god boss Kirin and fight him.

Dynamis was also a mega grind but once again structured. Work your way through a dreamworld Bastok or Windhurst etc. slowly clearing the zone defeating bosses for things like time extensions and currency along the way. It was a grind but not brainless there was a strategy involved if you didnt want to get your entire group wiped by pulling the wrong thing at the wrong time and thus blocking your path. in dynamis a wipe often ended the run for the whole day as you couldn't reset or recover.

Sea was kinda like Sky with its jailers. But there was also Limbus and Einherjar again structured endgame. Einherjar you had to clear 3 wings before you could advance to the next 3 and those before the final 3 and only when you had the feathers from all 9 could you go and do battle with Odin..

Limbus was the same had to clear sections of Temenos or Appolyon depending on whether you were after Ultima or Omega. And collect the keys from all the sections in order to unlock the bosses....

Virtually all of FFXI endgame was a grind but it had structure, objectives and progression. And I think that's what people want when they want XI style content. Not diadem 3.0 merit party grinds. But grinds that actually go somewhere and have purpose.

Virtually all of XIVs endgame is warp to arena kill boss done. There no structure to any of it. Every fight is completely segregated from everything else