What's your first impression of Eureka?

[Derio]

I think HW relic option was more friendly and open to more casuals. Eureka punishes you if you werent there the first week or few days to play, to where if the majority of the playerbase is lvl 10+ and you are lvl 1, you cant group up with them because any enemy they kill you wont get xp and they wont get xp.

At least with HW you were doing a wide variety of content instead of the mindless NM train. And at least it helped new players to the game with the leveling queues and got people back out into the open world.

Now its just run Eureka so you wont get left behind when the next step for the relic comes by. No need to run ex dungeons or trial roulette, just run Eureka and hop aboard the NM Train Choo Choo.


The problem with Eureka is it doesnt offer a good enough variety of ways to level up or even explore the map at that.

If Eureka had daily quests, bounties, group quests or even kill this list of enemies and receive this xp reward instead of just doing the train it would be a better experience. But again the question is how hard is it to put quests and those type of missions that you can pick up inside an instance.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

And yet, people complained the relics didn't have any new content, it was all just rehashed stuff. Now there's new content, and people are complaining it's not rehashed stuff.

[Marluxia]

And yet, people complained the relics didn't have any new content, it was all just rehashed stuff. Now there's new content, and people are complaining it's not rehashed stuff.

But it's not new content. That's what's burning so many people's bums about this. Nothing in Eureka is new except for a de-levelling mechanic straight from 2004 and the extremely simplistic Magia Board.

It's just forcing Hunt spawns and zerging Hunts, with additional inconvenience added by the lack of level sync. Even if you don't participate in the NM train, it's just spamming your rotation at mobs that don't even have the interesting bits of dungeons, 24-mans, or Normal Raids.

[Vstarstruck]

And yet, people complained the relics didn't have any new content, it was all just rehashed stuff. Now there's new content, and people are complaining it's not rehashed stuff.

What are you talking about? We did not get new content with diadem 3.0, it is diadem 3.0. You are shocked people are complaining when they are giving a no content place that took so much resources? It does not show. Anyone that thinks this is new content is falling for an illusion. I do not know what people complained about with the old relics but I would bet it was not mass blacklash like this is.

Even assuming it was only 1 expert dungeon in stormblood we are missing, stormblood was dry of content because of this and I would rather have that missing dungeon then this diadem 3.0

But it's not new content. That's what's burning so many people's bums about this. Nothing in Eureka is new except for a de-levelling mechanic straight from 2004 and the extremely simplistic Magia Board.

It's just forcing Hunt spawns and zerging Hunts, with additional inconvenience added by the lack of level sync. Even if you don't participate in the NM train, it's just spamming your rotation at mobs that don't even have the interesting bits of dungeons, 24-mans, or Normal Raids.

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[Claviusnex]

What are you talking about? We did not get new content with diadem 3.0, it is diadem 3.0. You are shocked people are complaining when they are giving a no content place that took so much resources? It does not show. Anyone that thinks this is new content is falling for an illusion. I do not know what people complained about with the old relics but I would bet it was not mass blacklash like this is.



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I don't even consider it up to the standard of Diadem. At least there you have more to do than just run around mindlessly killing things.

[Jxnibbles]

Day 5 or 6 of Euerka as a lvl 19+ in a high level party.

Shout: Is Pazu dead? What nms are dead?

Party: This instance has low level nms okay lets requeue.

Shout: Is Pazu dead? What nms are dead?

Party: This instance has high level nms lets pop them and requeue.

Most people are looking for the fate specific glamour and saving the lootcrates.

[Vidu]

It is far too early to compare SB's take on relic compared to HW and ARR. With Eureka we have access to only the first part of many.

That being said while the old relics gave you options, it was in content you had already done to death. At least Eureka is a completely new zone. It really needs more activities but I'd still rather that than "go grind boring fates in questing zones with rng drops, do beast tribe dailies even though you're already capped on reputation, and do this old dungeon".

While I'm willing to hold my breath there and hope that the next parts of the relic-grind and Eureka are going to be more intresting and something besides "Kill mobs, get crystals", I'm honestly not sure how hopeful we can be here. They had 17 months to put content into Eureka, thats more than just FATEs and somehow they failed to do so. If there is supposed to be new content for Eureka with 4.3 that would give them a couple months at best to come up with it, develop it and program it into the game...

Your second point is actually raising another problem I forgot to mention: The relics werent only a grind, they also helped to get people to repeat old dungeons and trials and to fill queues for newcomers this way. Not having the ressources to develop true new content for the relic wasnt the only reason we didnt get that - they need to make us re-run content to keep it alive.
SB and Eureka are failing at that. Even more: Eureka is creating the problem that old relics tackled within itself. If you miss out on the initial days and arent at a high enough level by now, you're having a hard time finding a group/enough people later down the road. Unless, ofc, we're getting backtracking in Eureka at somepoint.

Eureka might be a new zone, but its not new content. The Chimera and the Hydra were both new trials, with new mechanics, for example.

[Fyce]

Eureka might be a new zone, but its not new content. The Chimera and the Hydra were both new trials, with new mechanics, for example.

But it's not new content. That's what's burning so many people's bums about this. Nothing in Eureka is new except for a de-levelling mechanic straight from 2004 and the extremely simplistic Magia Board.

It's just forcing Hunt spawns and zerging Hunts, with additional inconvenience added by the lack of level sync. Even if you don't participate in the NM train, it's just spamming your rotation at mobs that don't even have the interesting bits of dungeons, 24-mans, or Normal Raids.

The word "new" can be used to describe content that got added to the game recently. What you criticize is the lack of new concepts and gameplay mechanics.

You guys mostly agree on the same idea. You just aren't using the same definitions. It's basically arguing sementics.

[Miles_Maelstrom]

The word "new" can be used to describe content that got added to the game recently. What you criticize is the lack of new concepts and gameplay mechanics.

You guys mostly agree on the same idea. You just aren't using the same definitions. It's basically arguing sementics.

And you're deflecting. The simple thing is whether or not you consider eureka new content it's simply not what people are complaining about, no one is complaining because eureka is new content. Which you asserted in your other post.

[Pomelo]

Second impression, was for me to download DQX and start practicing Japanese.