What's your first impression of Eureka?

[TheAngelneer]

The Eureka Defense: A Short Parody

Eureka Apologist: "Yo dude, have you heard about the new game that is all the rage (pun intended) on the interwebs?"

Self-respecting Individual: "No man, what is it?"

Eureka Apologist: "Punching yourself in the face!"

Self-respecting Individual: "That doesn't sound much fun to be honest, man."

Eureka Apologist: "Oh come on, at least try it before dismissing it!"

Self-respecting Individual: "Sigh, okay..." *punches himself* "Ouch dude, this is not fun in the slightest!"

Eureka Apologist: "lol man! you say that because you are doing it wrong!"

Self-respecting Individual: "Wrong how?"

Eureka Apologist: "You gotta do 3 quick jabs to your chin before you are ready for a big punch to your eye socket, you can't just zerg punch yourself without any thought to it, derp"

Self-respecting Individual: "Are you serious?"

Eureka Apologist: "Absolutely man, how can you dismiss this game without even playing it properly? Don't be a hater!"

Self-respecting Individual: "Sigh... all right, but stop bugging me after this if I don't like it" *punches himself again"

Self-respecting Individual: "Oh my god dude, now my face hurt all over. I guess the punches to my chin did help me not to feel the one to my eye that munch since my face is all numb now, but this still is the worst idea ever."

Eureka Apologist: "lol man, you barely got started, this gets a lot of fun after the first few hours! You get so numb it feels good!"

Self-respecting Individual: "Nope, not doing this for a few hours, my face already hurts enough now thank you. This sounded stupid from the beginning and I honestly regret going with it until now."

Eureka Apologist: "lololol look at you jumping on the face-punching hate bandwagon. Back in my day people worked hard to feel all numb and fuzzy, now you people only want instant gratification."

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Sorry, but this is exactly how I see it in this thread lol

[Fyce]

Sorry, but this is exactly how I see it in this thread lol

Great, another person who don't like Eureka disrespecting others for liking it. Just what that thread needed.

Edit: And you get upvoted as well. Good job guys, you proved me right: haters don't have any respect for those who don't agree with them.
This thread really is a hate train.

[Galaktica]

Great, another person who don't like Eureka disrespecting others for liking it. Just what that thread needed.

For once, I think we can agree. As much as I don't like Eureka, insults are only going to derail this thread and make things worse.

[Ruf]

The Eureka Defense: A Short Parody

Eureka Apologist: "Yo dude, have you heard about the new game that is all the rage (pun intended) on the interwebs?"

Self-respecting Individual: "No man, what is it?"

Eureka Apologist: "Punching yourself in the face!"

Self-respecting Individual: "That doesn't sound much fun to be honest, man."

Eureka Apologist: "Oh come on, at least try it before dismissing it!"

Self-respecting Individual: "Sigh, okay..." *punches himself* "Ouch dude, this is not fun in the slightest!"

Eureka Apologist: "lol man! you say that because you are doing it wrong!"

Self-respecting Individual: "Wrong how?"

Eureka Apologist: "You gotta do 3 quick jabs to your chin before you are ready for a big punch to your eye socket, you can't just zerg punch yourself without any thought to it, derp"

Self-respecting Individual: "Are you serious?"

Eureka Apologist: "Absolutely man, how can you dismiss this game without even playing it properly? Don't be a hater!"

Self-respecting Individual: "Sigh... all right, but stop bugging me after this if I don't like it" *punches himself again"

Self-respecting Individual: "Oh my god dude, now my face hurt all over. I guess the punches to my chin did help me not to feel the one to my eye that munch since my face is all numb now, but this still is the worst idea ever."

Eureka Apologist: "lol man, you barely got started, this gets a lot of fun after the first few hours! You get so numb it feels good!"

Self-respecting Individual: "Nope, not doing this for a few hours, my face already hurts enough now thank you. This sounded stupid from the beginning and I honestly regret going with it until now."

Eureka Apologist: "lololol look at you jumping on the face-punching hate bandwagon. Back in my day people worked hard to feel all numb and fuzzy, now you people only want instant gratification."

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Sorry, but this is exactly how I see it in this thread lol

It really feels like that besides the fact that the self-respecting Individual already suffered several blows & patches with band-aids already not to mention a possible surgery could be required...This made me laugh at the very least.

[Aliron]

I enjoy Eureka, players have to pay attention in areas where monsters are higher than you, there is actual risk the grind is actually fast. I finished the rdm gear along with the weapons for smn and pld. Once you hit 20 it's a breeze to finish stuff.

[TheAngelneer]

Even shorter tl;dr: Stop doing that:


Continue if you want, I already made my point and won't go any further into this rabbit hole.

I'll just leave this here.

[Vstarstruck]

Thanks!
To be honest, right now I'm sitting here, shaking my head and are wondering who is actually missing the point - me or Fyce.

I'll conclude, at least for myself and after the given explantion, that its not me... because wether or not we agree on the definition of "new content" or figured out under what circumstances Eureka can be classified "new content", it doesnt change the fact that Eureka is uninsipred, not innovative, according to the devs the reason we got less other "new" content (cut back on dungeons), delayed the relic and is basically what they promised it wouldnt be: Diadem 3.0.
You can still think, that Eureka is new content, for all I care.
And you can enjoy that content and have fun with that - all power to you here!

But at the end of the day Eureka lacks innovation, new ideas and even proper rewards. All things that shouldnt have happend after 17 months. If anyone wants to dismiss those arguments based on how to define the word "new", they're probably not worth discussing with.

...am I getting all of this right?

Pretty much, that person claimed to blacklist me earlier because I do not put up with it. I really don't care though, I know I am stubborn, and here trying to help understandings. What I bolded is why I called it a black hole, a thing in space that light itself can't escape. With the black hole diadem 3.0 is, im poking fun at the fact all this development went into it, only to have nothing escape from it. I get English is a complex language and all but people really need to talk about the main points being made, not going off something small and trying to "defeat" the small thing (hence why stawman applies biggest with him and you just now)

That bold is what I was trying to ask for anyone that gives it any kind of support, how do you support that kind of concept, I have not got an answer to such a question, other then "it will be improved later" .. uh.. hate to brake it to you, now is "the later" they released it late, and nothing to show for it. This goes back to this:

It is far too early to compare SB's take on relic compared to HW and ARR. With Eureka we have access to only the first part of many.

That being said while the old relics gave you options, it was in content you had already done to death. At least Eureka is a completely new zone. It really needs more activities but I'd still rather that than "go grind boring fates in questing zones with rng drops, do beast tribe dailies even though you're already capped on reputation, and do this old dungeon".

We have full rights to look at it as completed, because how late it came out. (we get there is 1 or 2 stages left, because we have 1 more raid left) but that is the thing, 1 or 2 stages LEFT!! we should be seeing about 70% of the content at this stage of the game in regards of relic progression.*

*now that i think about it, it would be 1 or 2 "Main phases" while there may be one or two mini quests under them, basically 4 total where the 4th is doing small stuff near end of SB to be even ilevel of the highest raid weapon

[Fyce]

I'll just leave this here.

It has no connection to the real world. It's an analogy. It doesn't need any rational explanation beyond the point it's making.

It's a picture trying to show that people will disagree because of a difference in their point of view. The two characters are arguing about what they legitimately perceive from their position, leading to a pointless argument. Nobody "painted" the 9/6. There's no "driveway" or "building". These characters do not exist and do not serve any other purpose than this analogy. There is no other context to that picture. Trying to explain it outside of the meaning it was designed for is stupid, as it wasn't meant for that purpose at all.

Besides, note that I choose a picture without the text. I really wanted to express the main point shown in the picture. This was deliberate.

I can't believe I have to explain this concept to someone.

Edit: And you are upvoted for this post too. Do you guys really don't understand what is an analogy? Or has this thread just derailed to the point of just being a choir preaching itself, even if it defies common sense, just because it's fun to make me "the antagonist that people should disagree with"? You guys have no interest in having a constructive discussion. Such childish behavior is scary.

I have no clue why such a toxic thread is still open. That's the second proof in a single page that this thread is just a hater nest.

[Ruf]

Thread went from describing that eureka is nothing to you draw an image! Hard to miss the point on the picture now, there is greater than>& lesser than & that's self explanatory on my standing point of view about eureka theres plenty of feedbacks about it already & I think the balance seems pretty clear to me

[Tridus]

The thing I hate about this phrase - and, I apologize, it's not meant to be an attack on you or anything. I've just seen this phrase thrown out there a lot recently. - is that how much is really enough?

An hour? Two? Three? Ten? When is someone allowed to voice the opinion? The first day Eureka came out, people were saying, "ah, you only spent an hour in there, go in for like 3 and tell me if it's still boring then!" Then the next day it was like "omg you need to get to lvl 10 to really enjoy it because it starts so slow!" And now, people are out there like "You can't really talk about Eureka until you hit lvl 20 and experience the whole thing! It's not that bad!"

My rebuttal to this line of thought it this: how much Eureka fundamentally change from beginning to "end"? There's a big difference between someone who puts 1 hour in a game like Street Fighter or Tekken and someone who has put in 1000 hours. At that point, they're essentially playing two different games because the knowledge one would gain along the way is simply impossible to grasp in such a short time. Now, again, going back to Eureka, what is the big difference between someone who has played 1 hour and someone who has played 1000? I know it hasn't even been out for 1000 hours yet, but you get my point. Aside from knowledge of the map and enemy locations, as far as I can tell, Eureka is virtually the same all the way through. So, again, how much time does someone realistically need to put into Eureka before they're apparently qualified to form an opinion?

This doesn't fly in the modern games industry, anyway. "It's boring now but it gets fun in 20 hours" is a design failure. It's a game. It should be fun. If it's not fun, it's failing at it's primary function.

In this case it doesn't really even change significantly, so people who find it boring at hour 1 are likely to find it boring at hour 20. They'll have just been bored for 19 more hours.

I mean, I haven't been back since the second time I went in, several days ago. At this point I'm so far behind in levels with my friends who do like it that we can't even play together in any kind of functional way (either they obliterate everything near my level with no effort for no reward, or I get one shot by everything near their level and contribute nothing except healing because my damage is non-existant against those mobs). Exactly where does the fun happen in that? It makes it WORSE because now I have to play alone to try and catch up on something that's already boring, when the only fun was chatting on Discord while playing. Take that away, and I'm nowhere.