Level 50+ dungeons can be challenging

[Lium]

Speaking from experience, I find the dungeons here are not necessarily hard, but not really easy either. You have to know the fights and pay attention to boss mechanics.
It's quite different from other MMOs, where as a DPS, I just follow the tank, kill mobs and not stand in any bad stuff.

Here, it's like, "Kill the adds quick!", or "Don't kill the adds.", or "Draw the adds to the boss." or "Kill the bird for the shield but don't click the shield too early." or "Stand in the circles when they light up all around the room. Quickly!" Do all of the above while dodging AOE and various bad stuff on the ground. Messing up on anything at all will kill you instantly. (That's not an exaggeration.)

I often wonder if veterans of this game realize that not many MMOs in the West are made like FFXIV anymore. And that's a good thing! But it probably accounts for some of the bad play you might be seeing.

Just food for thought. :-)

[Remedi]

well putting regen while the tank is gathering mobs is a Wow induced thing for sure imho

[alimdia]

What games are you comparing XIV to here? It's pretty hard to die in level 50+ dungeons, and even if you do the chance of wiping is very low, healers can just raise you and there's no exp penalty or anything. I don't think I'd ever consider calling level 50 dungeons challenging just because you have to learn some basic mechs that most of the time don't kill you.

[Lium]

What games are you comparing XIV to here? It's pretty hard to die in level 50+ dungeons, and even if you do the chance of wiping is very low, healers can just raise you and there's no exp penalty or anything. I don't think I'd ever consider calling level 50 dungeons challenging just because you have to learn some basic mechs that most of the time don't kill you.

Games like WoW and SWTOR where you can honestly solo the dungeons. In WoW you can be half AFK and just follow the tank. Not kidding.

[Joe777]

Games like WoW and SWTOR where you can honestly solo the dungeons. In WoW you can be half AFK and just follow the tank. Not kidding.

Scholars can do that in low level dungeons since the fairy will heal the Tank. Also running a dungeon of a certain level or so undersized with a high item level makes it soloable.

[Squintina]

Scholars can do that in low level dungeons since the fairy will heal the Tank. Also running a dungeon of a certain level or so undersized with a high item level makes it soloable.

Scholars that are overgeared (*cough* a 60+ scholar being put into a level 30 dungeon by roulette) can do that because the lack of ilvl sync will make their gear OP.

A lot of people forget what it was like when healing AT the level, especially if other people in the party were also AT the level.

Some of these dungeons, not all but some, are actually a bit tough when a person first gets to them in their level-appropriate (or worse, underleveled!) gear.

[Joe777]

Scholars that are overgeared (*cough* a 60+ scholar being put into a level 30 dungeon by roulette) can do that because the lack of ilvl sync will make their gear OP.

A lot of people forget what it was like when healing AT the level, especially if other people in the party were also AT the level.

Some of these dungeons, not all but some, are actually a bit tough when a person first gets to them in their level-appropriate (or worse, underleveled!) gear.

Indeed breezing any dungeon would usually require gear be up to speed or above. A Scholar that can afk heal Copperbell for example would be a Scholar with gear at least above Lv20 or so.

[Remedi]

Scholars can do that in low level dungeons since the fairy will heal the Tank. Also running a dungeon of a certain level or so undersized with a high item level makes it soloable.

to be fair he was talking about level cap dungeons

[KaivaC]

Speaking from experience, I find the dungeons here are not necessarily hard, but not really easy either. You have to know the fights and pay attention to boss mechanics.
It's quite different from other MMOs, where as a DPS, I just follow the tank, kill mobs and not stand in any bad stuff.

Here, it's like, "Kill the adds quick!", or "Don't kill the adds.", or "Draw the adds to the boss." or "Kill the bird for the shield but don't click the shield too early." or "Stand in the circles when they light up all around the room. Quickly!" Do all of the above while dodging AOE and various bad stuff on the ground. Messing up on anything at all will kill you instantly. (That's not an exaggeration.)

I often wonder if veterans of this game realize that not many MMOs in the West are made like FFXIV anymore. And that's a good thing! But it probably accounts for some of the bad play you might be seeing.

Just food for thought. :-)

Honestly, the level 50 dungeons provide more of a challenge than what you see in HW and SB. It's way too much catering to the casual base that there's really little challenge after Wanderers Palace Hard. Outside of undergeared players and folks who don't know how to use their job or are still learning them.

[NovaLevossida]

It's hard to die in level 50 dungeons, but then again, if your healer dies in an expert roulette dungeon boss fight these days and the DPS and tank do the last 50% of the boss without the healer being alive, maybe the measuring stick for difficulty is meaningless. You have to keep in mind this is the community that complained enough that they got Steps of Faith nerfed because they couldn't use party chat to coordinate the most basic of teamwork. The standard for difficulty for almost all content in this game is basically zero so that it excludes no one.

On the other hand, the "hardest" (or what I consider the most fun) dungeon isn't even level 50: Aurum Vale.