New Player, Requesting Help

[Frizze]

What he said. Back on 3/11 when i said...

The next steps on the learning curve should be the more advanced AoE rotation(one that uses flare effectively with good uptime), and the level 60+ single target rotation(adding the 4 tier spells in).

...this is the exact 60+ single target rotation i was thinking of. Its more complex then the level 50 rotation, and it adds a good amount more damage overall. Its still the core of the single target rotation that you use at level 70, so you want to get it down.

[Taika]

Disclaimer: I haven't played BLM since Heavensward and level 60.

When you consider if a DoT is worth using, you need to take its total potency into consideration. Thunder has initial potency of 30, but it also hits the target with a 40 potency hit on every tick for its whole duration. All DoTs in the game hit once every 3 seconds. As Thunder lasts 18 seconds (6 ticks) and it has 40 potency per tick, its DoT potency is 240 (40x6) + the initial hit of 30 potency. So the total potency of Thunder is 270. Fire has potency of 180, so if Thunder is given enough time to tick, it will beat Fire in DPS (although Fire potency is increased under Astral Fire, I don't know by how much). Furthermore, Thunder damage increases with Thundercloud trait procs.

I'm pretty sure Thunder is always useful to use on a single target, at least, but I have no experience of current AoE Thunders. Hopefully someone who plays BLM in its current form can give you some practical advice on its use.

[Rongway]

So the total potency of Thunder is 270. Fire has potency of 180, so if Thunder is given enough time to tick, it will beat Fire in DPS (although Fire potency is increased under Astral Fire, I don't know by how much). Furthermore, Thunder damage increases with Thundercloud trait procs.

We're primarily concerned with the potency changes that come from with Astral Fire III, which is a 1.8x multiplier, so let's call Fire
a 324 potency spell. Fire IV is 504. Thunder III slowcast is 70+240 = 310, but has a 47%* chance to give you an instant cast 70+240+240 = 550; further, you can force the proc with Sharpcast. I don't have the Thunder II/IV maths off the top of my head but the idea is the same, just with a smaller chance but on more targets.



* 10% chance to proc on first tick
plus 90% chance it didn't proc on first tick × 10% chance to proc on second tick
plus 90% chance it didn't proc on first tick × 90% chance it didn't proc on second tick × 10% chance to proc on third tick
plus ... etc

[Kuolemanlaakso]

I'm back again now, many thanks for all the help up to this point. I'm now level 60 (one quest from 61), i've been doing a lot of DoH/DoL which is why it's taken me so long, all of those will be over 50 once i've finished tomorrow's daily quests! Anyway, I just wanted to ask one thing. I know Fire IV is a random thing, I just wanted to ask, what triggers it? A specific Fire spell, or any? I know it has to be while under Astral Fire 3, and i'm fairly sure i've seen it because random spells have hit for much more than normal, but I can't say for sure what I did at that time to be certain. I've been using a rotation of Swiftcast, Blizzard III, Thunder III, Fire III, then Fire unless either Firestarter or Thundercloud procs, then switching to Blizzard again for Mana etc. Fire II for when it's relevant. Hoping this sounds sensible, i've got quite used to it now.

[Rongway]

Fire IV is enabled by Enochian. Enochian, once activated, will last as long as you don't let Astral Fire / Umbral Ice fall off. It doesn't matter what tier of element buff you keep up for this purpose -- Transpose is enough to keep Enochian active forever.

At Lv60, the basic basic rotation without extra cooldowns looks something like this:

Blizzard III (enters Umbral Ice)
Enochian
Thunder III
Blizzard IV (grants three Umbral Hearts*)
Fire III (switches to Astral Fire)
Fire IV (2 hearts remain)
Fire IV (1 heart remains)
Fire IV (0 hearts)
Fire (refreshes Astral Fire)
Fire IV
Fire IV
Fire IV
Repeat from Blizzard III, skip Enochian because it will still be up as long as you haven't let your Fire/Ice buff fall off.




* Umbral Hearts: normally, Fire spells cost double when you are in Astral Fire. Umbral Hearts waive the doubling. The Fire III after Blizzard IV doesn't cost any extra because you're not in Astral Fire yet. The first three fire spells after that will cost the base cost. The fourth fire spell through the last will cost double.

It's useful to note that Fire and Fire IV cost the same, so if your spell speed isn't high enough for IV-IV-IV-I, you can do IV-IV-I-IV and it won't cost any extra for shuffling the 1s and 4s around. But you want to aim for higher spell speed so you can do IV-IV-IV- I -IV-IV-IV - BlizzardIII.

[Kuolemanlaakso]

Ok, thanks to both. What's the recommended Spell Speed at level 60? Currently I have 585.

[Frizze]

That is a question id have a hard time answering. They re-balanced the sub-stats when they launched SB, so the numbers i used to have no longer produce the same results they used to. For a BLM, you cant go wrong with more. In general, we prioritize speed>>>crit>dh>>>>>det.

[Hasrat]

Personal opinion, but, presumably, if you're not pushing raids or actual difficult content, you probably don't need to be very concerned about hitting particular thresholds.

[Rongway]

Personal opinion, but, presumably, if you're not pushing raids or actual difficult content, you probably don't need to be very concerned about hitting particular thresholds.

On the other hand, the more spell speed you have, the more freedom you have to improvise (dodge / shuffle spells) when you don't 100% know a particular boss's rotation yet, regardless of the level of content.

[Kuolemanlaakso]

I've started rotating with Enochian and B4 and F4, there was 62 HQ gear selling on the market for next to nothing so I updated everything apart from necklace (those were quite expensive and the difference was negligable) - so she's now got all 62 gear and is up to 630ish Spell Speed. Before today I never really noticed it being quicker with upgrades, but today I can really feel the difference. It feels less sluggish, and also considering i'm DPS, i'd consider Spell Speed to be of paramount importance to providing DPS. It's a bit like people not understanding in games like Borderlands that reload speed is also DPS related, if you understand what I mean. I just didn't know what was best. I haven't melded materia into the new gear yet, but I will do tomorrow.