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  1. #41
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    Avatar de Tridus
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    Cecelia Stormfeather
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    Cactuar
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    Mage blanc Lv 90
    Citation Envoyé par Antonio_Xul Voir le message
    I think the main problem here is that out of all the minorities that are, the LGBT community are the only ones who like to flaunt their status and then expect not to get any hate on them. You have to realize that people are hateful beings and the only way to not get any hate is to not bring up sensitive issues.
    No, the way to fix hat is for the majority to call out the hateful asshats for what they really are and to make clear that it's not acceptable. Hiding doesn't solve the problem, it just puts it off so future generations have to solve it.
    (29)
    Survivor of Housing Savage 2018.
    Discord: Tridus#2642

  2. #42
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    Azealia Banks
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    Gilgamesh
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    Astromancien Lv 76
    Honestly the reason i join discord servers like this is because I don't care to have the "oh, you're gay?" conversation when I'm gaming. I have it plenty enough irl, and while I don't mind it, there are a vast amount of other more interesting things we can talk about. At least in discords like this, I can focus more on the game or other conversation topics instead of conversations regarding my sexual orientation.


    To add to this. I also come from a predominantly straight, white, and extremely right-wing state. The chances of me actually interacting with another gay person irl are slim-to-none. In groups like this, I am no longer "the gay friend", and that's extremely refreshing.


    Those are just a few reasons though.
    (20)
    Dernière modification de Chortle, 08/03/2018 à 00h49

  3. #43
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    Kyuuen Queles
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    Midgardsormr
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    Creating a LS for crafters. "Sweet I'll join"
    Creating a FC for raiders. "Cool, I want to get some clears in"
    Creating a LS for hunters. "I like to hunt!"
    Creating a DC for LGBTQ. "Wut, why?"

    ...

    Seriously guys? Turn this around and ask "wut why?" to any other aspect of community building. It's to build and foster a community of like minded people.

    And as to VanilleFang's or anyone else who made a comment that came off as dismissive; regardless if it was their intent or not, it still happened to to be their affect/effect.
    (26)

  4. #44
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    Heixin Xiaoshuita
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    Cactuar
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    Guerrier Lv 90
    Citation Envoyé par ShadowHunterrX Voir le message
    I dont like labels on people and want to trait people equally.
    This is all too telling of a) what people think these places are for and b) what people think of people who make them. It's heavily implied that "I think I'm better" because you don't treat people equally.

    None of you people even responded to my ethnic group club etc.

    Do you not like DEBATERS? Debate Club. People who like science? Science Club. Guns? Guns Subreddit. FFXIV? (Why are you here?) FFXIV Subreddit. It's like being mad at people who go to book clubs.

    I don't like labels. /paints a discord as if it doesn't treat people equally
    (8)
    Dernière modification de ExKage, 08/03/2018 à 01h34

  5. #45
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    Avatar de Reinha
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    mars 2015
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Odin
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    Faucheur Lv 100
    Citation Envoyé par Kyuuen Voir le message
    Creating a LS for crafters. "Sweet I'll join"
    Creating a FC for raiders. "Cool, I want to get some clears in"
    Creating a LS for hunters. "I like to hunt!"
    Creating a DC for LGBTQ. "Wut, why?"
    ...

    Seriously guys? Turn this around and ask "wut why?" to any other aspect of community building. It's to build and foster a community of like minded people.
    Crafting, raiding or hunting are not immutable characteristics. A more accurate comparison would be FCs or Linkshells which are race or gender exclusive. It's building a community of like people, not like minded people. Nothing wrong with it though (in my opinion). Associating with similar people can be just as important as associating with people different from oneself.

    Choosing to segregate from the mainstream every once in a while may not be the most effective way to be accepted by the mainstream, but individuals have the right to consider their personal needs first and seek out people who are likely to share some life experiences and support another in the same struggles.
    (6)
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  6. #46
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    Lorgana Wiseman
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    Mateus
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    Paladin Lv 70
    I think what Antonio was getting at is that you're playing a game where you can choose to be a cat girl or lizard person. The point of the game is to do content in the game be it trials/dungeons w/e. There is literally no reason for anyone to know you are gay/trans w/e unless you bring it up or as he said flaunt it. Personally I don't see any context in the game in which sharing personal details with random strangers is applicable, maybe if it was me I'd tell the friends I'd made in the game more about who I am as a person beyond the avatar and if I suspected they were as toxic as some of these people are describing ( skeptical but hey) then I probably wouldn't consider them friends in the first place. Don't get me wrong you shouldn't feel the need to hide who you are just to fit in, but at the same time you also probably shouldn't be broadcasting your personal life on an online game to every other person you encounter, do that and you're pretty much asking to be trolled.
    (11)

  7. #47
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    Avatar de dynus
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    Ciaran Riagan
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    Balmung
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    Danseur Lv 90
    Citation Envoyé par REPROBEAN_CHILD Voir le message
    No one is flinging mud and no one [as far as I know], has an issue with LGBT groups or their members. It's the idea of making a FC or discord based soley on who you sleep with is what some people don't agree with. Nobody is shutting anything down, but they have a right to have an opinion [as long as it's constructive]. Whether or not a "deep discussion" was intended from the post is irrelevant.
    Okay. Being gay is about WAY more than simply who you sleep with. Being gay is a culture. It really is. Me being gay is as much a part of me as being ethnically Irish, as being a US citizen, as an English Major, and various other labels that can apply to me. Sometimes it's a joyous thing, sometimes it's a shame.

    It's... jeez, how do I explain this? It just is. It's not about alienation, of ourselves or others. It's like groups that are made for blacks, or latin@s, or any other minority. It's support, friendship, and culture.
    (8)

  8. #48
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    Lorgana Wiseman
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    Mateus
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    Paladin Lv 70
    Citation Envoyé par dynus Voir le message
    Okay. Being gay is about WAY more than simply who you sleep with. Being gay is a culture. It really is. Me being gay is as much a part of me as being ethnically Irish, as being a US citizen, as an English Major, and various other labels that can apply to me. Sometimes it's a joyous thing, sometimes it's a shame.

    It's... jeez, how do I explain this? It just is. It's not about alienation, of ourselves or others. It's like groups that are made for blacks, or latin@s, or any other minority. It's support, friendship, and culture.
    Thats the point though, why would you being an english major, ethnically irish or your various other labels come up in the game except among friends? Maybe its just me but sharing things that make me ME, isn't really something I do with strangers.
    (6)

  9. #49
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    Avatar de dynus
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    Ciaran Riagan
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    Balmung
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    Danseur Lv 90
    Citation Envoyé par Lorgana Voir le message
    Thats the point though, why would you being an english major, ethnically irish or your various other labels come up in the game except among friends? Maybe its just me but sharing things that make me ME, isn't really something I do with strangers.
    I don't always bring it up, in fact I rarely bring it up. But it will come out.

    I get asked by a co-worker "do you have a girlfriend" My answer will be; "no, I'm gay," or "nope, boyfriend" depending on if I'm in a relationship at that point.

    Could I stay silent and just so no? Or pretend I do have a girlfriend when I have a boyfriend? Sure. But I won't because I consider it lying.

    Coming out never stops. You're always in the process of coming out of the closet.
    (11)

  10. #50
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    Lorgana Wiseman
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    Mateus
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    Paladin Lv 70
    Citation Envoyé par dynus Voir le message
    I don't always bring it up, in fact I rarely bring it up. But it will come out.

    I get asked by a co-worker "do you have a girlfriend" My answer will be; "no, I'm gay," or "nope, boyfriend" depending on if I'm in a relationship at that point.

    Could I stay silent and just so no? Or pretend I do have a girlfriend when I have a boyfriend? Sure. But I won't because I consider it lying.

    Coming out never stops. You're always in the process of coming out of the closet.
    Thats in real life though, that makes sense. But how does such a thing come up in the game? What context would it make sense to reveal the personal details of your life to strangers? It doesn't help raiding, it doesn't fit into dungeons. The point I'm trying to make is that in this game there isn't such a situation that would require you broadcasting who you are to anyone. If you decide that you want to reveal everything about you you do you I guess.
    (6)

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