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    Request: Crafting From Retainers

    Historically I think there has been a lot of support for being able to craft with items that are stored in our retainers. I am not sure what implications it might have for the servers but it would definitely resolve some of the inventory issues plaguing the game. We can already check to see if we have an item in a retainer on the market board which means the game must save that information for use outside of checking the retainer's inventory itself. Has there been any official discussion from developers on moving forward with it? If you have any interest at all in this I implore you to make thread(s) on it known so we can make retainer use more robust.
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    I want to like this a million times.
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    i think it's due to the way the game constantly updates and keeps track of inventory. constantly accessing a retainers inventory by keeping those kinds of inventory connections open and having multiple people doing that would increase server load and would probably highly likely crash the server.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWho2010 View Post
    i think it's due to the way the game constantly updates and keeps track of inventory. constantly accessing a retainers inventory by keeping those kinds of inventory connections open and having multiple people doing that would increase server load and would probably highly likely crash the server.
    I think there might be a way around that, but it would require adding a menu item to the retainer menu, and needing to be at the summoning bell. Make an option where you can have your retainer basically hand you items while they are summoned to craft. Not sure how that would work with coding...but that the suggestion that I can come up with for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWho2010 View Post
    i think it's due to the way the game constantly updates and keeps track of inventory. constantly accessing a retainers inventory by keeping those kinds of inventory connections open and having multiple people doing that would increase server load and would probably highly likely crash the server.
    I don't really understand why there would be constant "open connections", the inventory is only updated when you add to it, remove from it, sort it, and...that's it really. When you perform the action "check the number of items in all inventories", once the request is done it's done, there's nothing "left open", because those interactions are (supposed to be) event-based.

    As a game developer myself, I don't understand why this wasn't implemented from the beginning since half the job is already done (and yes GW2 has it and it's awesome QoL)

    I'd totally pay for that I don't care I NEED it now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Mandra_ View Post
    I don't really understand why there would be constant "open connections", the inventory is only updated when you add to it, remove from it, sort it, and...that's it really. When you perform the action "check the number of items in all inventories", once the request is done it's done, there's nothing "left open", because those interactions are (supposed to be) event-based.
    You'd think so (because that's how a normal person would design it) but no. We know from SE's previous communications that all inventory data is updated and written every 15 seconds with the auto save tick regardless of whether anything about it changed. Now I don't know exactly how their database is structured, but I promise you it makes no sense.

    It should be a simple enough matter to load and edit retainer inventory during crafting. But given what SE has done lately, I'd expect there to be "technical issues" with doing it that magically disappear if you pay more for your subscription.
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    Oh ok, I didn't know they already talked about it. I just stumbled upon this thread because I find crafting very tedious atm just because of that.
    Thanks for the clarifications o/

    (I still need this in my life tho, please SE make it happen...somehow)
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    Maybe works if you're a premium user with the FF14 app
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    They already mentioned this one before. They said its a server load issue. Its the same reason we cant access every retainer at the same time and have to work on them separately.
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    Nomfur Farredzasyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysticales View Post
    They already mentioned this one before. They said its a server load issue. Its the same reason we cant access every retainer at the same time and have to work on them separately.
    But wait, there's more! Throw $5 a month more at us and we'll give you the ability to do this via the smartphone app (if I remember rightly, they said you can move things directly from one retainer to another via the smartphone app, without it going through your personal inventory, provided you're on the premium subscription for it). At this point I think the "Server load issues", "Server limitations", etc are a load of bumph, because apparently if we pay extra they can support it. It's not a "Server load" or "Server limitation" issue at all, it's a "We want to siphon more money out of you" issue.
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

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