Got kicked Right before boss.

[xMysticx]

Sorry you had to go through this, it's pure harassing and it's even sadder other people mocked you. But yeah the community used to be nicer and it's still nice in general but there's a lot of holier than thou people in duties now how want a level 50 tank to play as if he/she been playing for months or years.

eh it's fine, just didn't expect to get this much backlash.

[Rosentretter]

eh it's fine, just didn't expect to get this much backlash.

I just remembered back in the day when I started playing, my main job is Paladin as well, and I was in a lvl 60 dungeon. LVL 60 DUNGEON and I was still popping all my cooldowns at once, can you believe that? People made fun of me and called me many things. I felt really bad, but after the dungeon I gave myself the time to look for guides and help to see what was I doing wrong. And man. Feels so good to actually learn a job and get all those easy commendations for doing an excellent job as tank. You had a bad experience, and that sucks, but there's 2 ways to deal with that. Or you move on and learn from it and improve, or you keep blaming others for your mistakes.

[Maighdlin]

it was a mistake making this thread...

It's unfortunately a mistake to make just about any thread on this forum... But I hope you will not let that get you down. For as many toxic players we have on the forums, we have more nice people in game. I hope you have more enjoyable experiences in the future.

[Kakiko]

Kaldea, I'm not suggesting you shouldn't have kicked the tank, just that the timing (as other people said) was off. I also kind of agree with whoever said that you were taking the side of bullies, if the other two were being offensive and toxic to this tank. There's a time and a place for kicking, and leaving it right to the end makes you come across as petty and vindictive. You were right in kicking, it's the TIMING that is suspect.


To the tank, you are getting some backlash here, but look at how many people are saying the same thing. They're not digs at you PERSONALLY, just your skill level. That is something you CAN change if you want to. Don't take it as toxicity to be told that you're not performing to the best of your abilities, take it as encouragement to improve. No one here, from what I have seen, has told you anything insulting or toxic; maybe a bit of tough love, but sometimes that's what works.

Get back out there, utilize the tips given here, and improve. There is ALWAYS room for improvement. Even world first raiders work to improve their runs.

[xMysticx]

Yeah i most definitely work on getting better and improving, i do appreciate the advice that most people have given, thanks for the advice!

[micropanther7]

Yeah i most definitely work on getting better and improving, i do appreciate the advice that most people have given, thanks for the advice!

Yes, focus on the good advice in this thread, and I'd recommend finding fellow tanks in game who are more skilled who can teach you and show the ropes And don't judge the playerbase as a whole by how people behave on the forums, even if the thread was a mistake, take something positive from it. And remember to communicate with your teammates, people will help you if you're open to learning. Like Limonia said, be nice and cut each other some slack, some people genuinely wanna help and sometimes text doesn't always convey intent, good luck

[ChocoFeru]

The entitlement...
It's so sad that people only focuses on OP's skill instead of the kick itself.

The kick was unnecessary. OP is a new player and we shouldn't expect perfect plays from new members, and you shouldn't expect that your "useful tips" can improve their skills in 1 minute.


The persons who kicked him are entitled people who think they're good at giving tips, but the kick itself proves otherwise.
Shame on them and people who deffend arbitrary kicks like these. We're giving a bad image to new players, and this thread stinks of entitlement.

[Vidu]

The entitlement...
It's so sad that people only focuses on OP's skill instead of the kick itself.

The kick was unnecessary. OP is a new player and we shouldn't expect perfect plays from new members, and you shouldn't expect that your "useful tips" can improve their skills in 1 minute.

There is a difference though between "perfect play" and "using only Shield Loop" - if you think of it as a scale, OPs performance in that dungeon seemed to have been kinda close to the "Sield Loop"-side, resulting in mobs attacking party-members. I dont see a reason not to believe Kaldea when they say that "aggro was all over the place" and OP himself makes a remark about him taking "most of the damage" - both implying that he did not have aggro on all mobs. He had also stated that he did not use his combo and when asked about this, replied with believing Shield Loop to be stronger... and then continue to use that. To me that doesnt sound like anyone expected them to improve in less a minute but rather that he dismissed that tip outright.
I can understand that party with that nasty DPS and unpleasent scholar probably wasnt the nicestes place to learn - half because of them... and half because it was TamTara HM, A level 50 dungeon.
Using your main-combo and flash instead of Shield Loop isnt "perfect play".
Its playing the job at a very basic level.

The kick apparently occured when it became apparent that OP wasnt able or willing to bring that basic job performance to the table - keep in mind that there are some things that can delay a kick: Hope, that he might understand during the next pull; a newly engaged fight; an open chest.

I do not support this "newbie cuddeling" and giving them free pass through everything on the grounds of "Oh, but they're new!" - please note that I also dont support any rude behaviour. I might not sugarcoat things, but I'm trying my very best to stay polite.
That being said: A person at level 50 isnt new anymore in my book. Or at least not new enough to get a free pass at failing basic mechanics of the job. Wether or not the party is still able to clear the dungeon doesnt matter to much to me here, because if they are indeed clearing the dungeon, it was on the expense of the 3 other people in said dungeon, with one person partically left behind in a corner.

We should not be okay with rude behaviour in any form - and to be honest: being unable to perform to your role [not PERFECT! Just the BASIC STUFF], not preparing for the upcoming grouptask is kinda rude. No excuse for harrassment and being called word, but I honestly dont understand how people can be fine with tanks not tanking, healers not healing and BLMS only casting ice past level 30*.
When does someone stop being new in your book? Or at least new enough to make them aware that they're having fundamental troubles with the job they'v choosen?

Yes, we should be nice and welcoming to our fellow players, new or not. And I'm all for the benefit of the doubt - but at a certain level, certain skills should be expected and if they're not being delivered and the person in question makes the dungeon unnecessary "difficult" or annoying for the rest of the party, that person does deserve a kick. I cant support the idea of letting 3 people "suffer" just so the feelings of that new person wont get hurt by being told "Hey, you seem to have trouble with the basics of your job - please try using this skill. It does this."

*Yes, I know that AST, MCN and DRK start at 30 - but to unlock them you need to reach Ishgard, so you've played a while already, so one would hope you're able to figure their basics out since you've made yourself familiar with the basics of one job already. Same with RDM and SAM at 50 - I dont expect perfect play there, for heavens sake! But I expect people to make themself familiar with the job they pick before taking it in group-content.
Goes even more for jump potion user: If you skip the chance to gather experience with that job by not gathering experience for that job, I expect you to read some sort of quick guide, your tooltips and at the very, very least the description of what your job is supposed to do. I had a level 67-jump-potion-DRK in Bardams once... it wasnt pretty, aggro was everywhere, tankstance not present, communication attemtpts ignored. They left without ever saying a word after 4 minutes (mind you, all that was said in chat was stuff like "Can you please turn on grit? It will help you to hold aggro more easly!" and "Can you use Unleash to make sure the mobs are attacking you instead of the healer?)

But you could get lvl 50 within 2 weeks of doing quests only with double bonus exp "road to 60" and sanctuary bonus (not sure do they stack).
Seriously, you expect these players to learn anything in that time? xD

Basics?
Yeah, sure.
I dont recall which quest excatly it was but one of the very earlier gld-quests (level 15, maybe?) is a lesson on Flash - Hall of Novice is a thing. If I'm not mistaken, the game sends you there before you enter your first dungeon. You can skip it, but at that point it becomes your responsibility to make sure you know the basics of your job.
Would you not expect that a healer at level 50 to have figured out how to heal you at that point?

I'm always thinking about this with a solo-game in mind, asking the question: If you woudl ignore such basics in a solo-game - would you beat it?
And what do you do when you cant beat a solo-game? You either quit, consulte a guide or sit down and review your skills again.
The problem is that in an MMO 3 other people can indeed carry you through dungeons without your knowledge...

[AppleJinx]

Tanking in this game is easy. Just finish reading this cute tutorial then you'll be more than ready to tank any dungeon in the game. Also if you have trouble reading the text in the picture just right click the picture and then click "open in new tab" to get the full size image.

[spf1200]

How can someone get to lvl 50 and not understand how to play their job on the most basic lvl? If you are lvl 50 you are not "new" to the game you should know how to play your job and be able to fill your role. I'm sorry OP but I probably would have kicked you too after trying to give you advice and being ignored.