Got kicked Right before boss.

[Kakiko]

Ok, now that I've had my fill of popcorn I can be a little serious here.


OP, it's a crap shoot that you got kicked right at the last boss because it does make the run useless to you. However, you're also blessed with the privilege of being a tank and thus you'll get near-instant queue times so it probably didn't set you back too far. Were they in the wrong for kicking you right before the last boss? I think so. Obviously they "dealt" with you through the whole dungeon up to that point and had only a couple of minutes left to either beat the final boss or wipe (and then vote kick you) so kicking you there seems petty, to me. As to the comment by the person who vote kicked you about trying to add you as a friend, I frankly would have blacklisted them as well. I've no desires to be friends with someone who does something like that.

However, as you're no doubt aware by now, it sounds like you weren't utilizing your toolkit to the best of your ability and honestly, that stuff can happen as a newbie. I've only been playing since July 2017 and I am by no means an expert at anything. I remember being around level 50 and still having no idea what I was really doing or what my rotation was supposed to be and unfortunately I never had anyone in dungeons who attempted to help me, though I would have welcomed it.

Sometimes there's something to be said about being humble and recognizing that as a new player or even a new-to-class player, you're not going to know the ins and outs and will have to defer to someone else. If more than one person in an instance is telling you the same thing, logically they might be correct and at the very least, it doesn't hurt to try to follow their advice and see how it goes. If you succeed, then you've learned something. If you fail, the egg isn't on your face. Accept that you probably don't know everything and be open to polite criticism. You'll grow that much faster as a player.

Take the advice offered here on the forums to heart. The majority of people in this community are merely trying to help and teach. The ball is in your court how you respond to that. I find that you will have much more success in a class if you take full stock of the advice given and try out the techniques/tips on a practice dummy.

[ToasterMan]

Everyone here offered some great advice. OP I recommend you find a space were you can practice the knowledge you've learned here without any pressure. It's one thing to read and watch but a totally different thing to put it all into practice. If you haven't yet, I recommend checking out the smith, I haven't done the tanking lessons so I don't know whats in there but it really can't hurt.

[Mavrias]

First of all i literally just said this was my 1st character, also i'm trying to get better i've done research also you can't expect someone to be a pro first time like i've said i'm getting better, also i never refused advice,

By your own admission, you ignored your group's suggestion and judging by what was said in the other thread, they gave you a lot of the information youre getting here.

No one is expecting perfection from a new player. We are expecting a basic knowledge of how to tank a dungeon by level 50 however.

[ExKage]

I asked that because I could not believe that no one ever said anything from level 28 to 50 dungeon running and that this was the first time someone ever tried to express that there was an issue.

What was your response to when they told you that Fast Blade > Savage Blade > Rage of Halone would be better?

[Joe777]

This appears to be a classic case of the Tank not fully understanding enmity in this game. Enmity generation is higher the healthier the enemy is. It is at this time the Tank should accrue as much enmity as possible. As a Paladin, start with a Shield Lob to pull an enemy, and then follow up with Circle of Scorn if it pulls a group of enemies so you grab aggro from the whole pack. Flash is nice and all but its on GCD whereas Circle of Scorn is not and has a small cooldown timer, usually allowing you to have it ready by the next pack of mobs. However, you can use Flash once if you feel you need to as a follow-up to Circle of Scorn to help maintain Enmity. The DPS should be attacking the enemy you pulled with Shield Lob, and combined with Circle of Scorn means with Shield Oath active you have generated massive enmity that will buy you proper time to keep aggro as you use your combo attack. The combo attack serves 2 purposes: it deals good damage to an enemy so you can keep aggro, and Rage of Halone is both strong and increased enmity when used with the full combo. You can either aim Rage of Halone at the mob you pulled with Shield Lob or another mob depending on which one needs more enmity toward you. As long as everyone does their role right, all should go well. However, if someone pulls aggro off an enemy from you then you can use Provoke immediately followed by Shield Lob to get it back and go from there. If the same ally pulls aggro from that enemy again, then that's their fault because they should be utilizing ways to prevent that. Multiple Shield Lobs are not the answer in that case.

TL;DR Version: Proper Paladin generic opener for Lv50 Dungeons (Have Shield Oath on to help enmity generation) is Shield Lob -> Circle of Scorn (on group of enemies) -> Flash (Optional as need be) -> Fast Blade -> Savage Blade -> Rage of Halone

For both versions of my post: Paladin specialists can tell you better than I can where to throw up a Fight or Flight, but find an ideal time to do so (I'd say either before or after Shield Lob myself, probably after). Also use Shield Swipe as applicable to help maintain enmity when it procs (it procs when you block an attack). Also use Spirits Within when you can and preferably while healthy as it has more potency the healthier you are. In large groups try to utilize Total Eclipse for good AoE dps.


All this being said, you should at least try to communicate with your group. Even if they sound rude try to find out why they said what they did. If there is a legit reason then you could respond like "ok thanks for sharing that info with me, but you could be nicer about it at least". Lack of communication is oft times the cause of pug termoil.

[Dualblade]

I asked that because I could not believe that no one ever said anything from level 28 to 50 dungeon running and that this was the first time someone ever tried to express that there was an issue.

What was your response to when they told you that Fast Blade > Savage Blade > Rage of Halone would be better?

Might be a bit before you get your answer, OP has been responding frequently and may have hit the post max for the day.

[Sciwolf]

OP i dont really know what to say. Otber than, when i first started 2.0 the community was in a much better shape than it is now.

Now it has become increasingly toxic and i see open hostility in routine duties on a regular basis. The other night i ended up in a random CT raid, out of all places, and two people started cussing at each other over the atmos trash pull.

The community is going downhill big time. Guess this is what happens when you create a game entitely based in gear treadmill.

[Maighdlin]

OP i dont really know what to say. Otber than, when i first started 2.0 the community was in a much better shape than it is now.

Now it has become increasingly toxic and i see open hostility in routine duties on a regular basis. The other night i ended up in a random CT raid, out of all places, and two people started cussing at each other over the atmos trash pull.

The community is going downhill big time. Guess this is what happens when you create a game entitely based in gear treadmill.

This has been a problem since the beginning. I remember getting kicked out of every other dugeon back in 2.0 for various ridiculous reasons. Some had to do with me being a newb. A lot had to do with people being jerks though. That's where Player Commendations came from, not that they had any long term benefits...

That all being said, there are diamonds in the rough. Good mentors. Good Free Companies willing to teach. You just gotta look for them and be willing to listen.

[Ayer2015]

Kicking right before the last boss is pretty spiteful. I mean, I couldn't have been that bad if they got all the way to that point in the run.

[Jijifli]

Kicking right before the last boss is pretty spiteful. I mean, I couldn't have been that bad if they got all the way to that point in the run.

I once filled into a Snowcloak or however it's spelled, where the tank only used Butcher Block, never the combo, and the BLM refused to use anything that wasn't Blizzard. The WHM's heals were also quite delayed.

And yet there was me, on monk, using every bloody cooldown I got, stuck in earth instead of fire, potions, food, performing the fight perfectly so that the only thing Fenrir hurt me with were his auto's, and yet... it was a very close call after multiple pulls.

That's likely what happened here. You don't NEED a tank for most dungeons in this game. They carried him through. Or is my own case "not that bad" either since I could almost solo the last boss on Monk?