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    Sciwolf's Avatar
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    Tor Kara
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    OP i dont really know what to say. Otber than, when i first started 2.0 the community was in a much better shape than it is now.

    Now it has become increasingly toxic and i see open hostility in routine duties on a regular basis. The other night i ended up in a random CT raid, out of all places, and two people started cussing at each other over the atmos trash pull.

    The community is going downhill big time. Guess this is what happens when you create a game entitely based in gear treadmill.
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    Maighdlin's Avatar
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    Maythorn Rose
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    Conjurer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Sciwolf View Post
    OP i dont really know what to say. Otber than, when i first started 2.0 the community was in a much better shape than it is now.

    Now it has become increasingly toxic and i see open hostility in routine duties on a regular basis. The other night i ended up in a random CT raid, out of all places, and two people started cussing at each other over the atmos trash pull.

    The community is going downhill big time. Guess this is what happens when you create a game entitely based in gear treadmill.
    This has been a problem since the beginning. I remember getting kicked out of every other dugeon back in 2.0 for various ridiculous reasons. Some had to do with me being a newb. A lot had to do with people being jerks though. That's where Player Commendations came from, not that they had any long term benefits...

    That all being said, there are diamonds in the rough. Good mentors. Good Free Companies willing to teach. You just gotta look for them and be willing to listen.
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    Ayer Austen
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    Kicking right before the last boss is pretty spiteful. I mean, I couldn't have been that bad if they got all the way to that point in the run.
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    Jijifli Kokofli
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    Kicking right before the last boss is pretty spiteful. I mean, I couldn't have been that bad if they got all the way to that point in the run.
    I once filled into a Snowcloak or however it's spelled, where the tank only used Butcher Block, never the combo, and the BLM refused to use anything that wasn't Blizzard. The WHM's heals were also quite delayed.

    And yet there was me, on monk, using every bloody cooldown I got, stuck in earth instead of fire, potions, food, performing the fight perfectly so that the only thing Fenrir hurt me with were his auto's, and yet... it was a very close call after multiple pulls.

    That's likely what happened here. You don't NEED a tank for most dungeons in this game. They carried him through. Or is my own case "not that bad" either since I could almost solo the last boss on Monk?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jijifli View Post
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    They didn't carry him through.. they kicked him at the last moment wasting his time.... which they probably felt he was doing to them. Again... spiteful

    I've played this game since 2.0 and NEVER had a group as bad as you're outlining. Sure I see poor players now and then, but not to the extent people on the forums make out... and I play a lot. I've seen only one of these ice mages people reference, and that was in 2.0.
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    Lulumia Lumia
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Jijifli View Post
    I once filled into a Snowcloak or however it's spelled, where the tank only used Butcher Block, never the combo, and the BLM refused to use anything that wasn't Blizzard. The WHM's heals were also quite delayed.

    And yet there was me, on monk, using every bloody cooldown I got, stuck in earth instead of fire, potions, food, performing the fight perfectly so that the only thing Fenrir hurt me with were his auto's, and yet... it was a very close call after multiple pulls.

    That's likely what happened here. You don't NEED a tank for most dungeons in this game. They carried him through. Or is my own case "not that bad" either since I could almost solo the last boss on Monk?
    I've completed both current expert roulette dungeons with only a RDM and a Tank.

    Anything short of 8-man content is designed to be very easy and accessible.
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    Mystic Lord
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    Ultros
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    Kicking right before the last boss is pretty spiteful. I mean, I couldn't have been that bad if they got all the way to that point in the run.
    agreed, but it did happen, also it's not even that but they literally wasted my time for nothing.
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    Nettle Creidne
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    Quote Originally Posted by xMysticx View Post
    agreed, but it did happen, also it's not even that but they literally wasted my time for nothing.
    If what they said is true then I think you wasted their time.

    Contrary to what you might think, poor tanking can seriously slow down the dungeon. It's very frustrating when the tank cannot do their job properly, because then no one else can either. If you indeed were using shield lob outside of attacking a target at range, and utterly ignored any attempts to make your tanking more solid and sensible, then I'd have kicked you too. And I rarely kick anyone.

    You say you rarely got complaints, well I suspect it's because a lot of players would rather endure a bad tank and finish a dungeon than queue again for potentially 30+ minutes. I know I have kept my mouth shut and continued playing with someone annoying or bad because I just wasn't bothered to hang around for the party to fill up again.

    Obviously I don't know if you or they or if neither of you are telling the truth. But if they are, and the role of tanking was indeed shared across the group, then you need to have a serious look at how your class kit as a whole works or else you're going to find yourself getting kicked more and more.
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    Vice Shark
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    Coeurl
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    Samurai Lv 100
    The only thing I don't like about this is the kick right before a boss. If you got a problem gameplay-wise with a player in which you know you're going to kick, do it asap. Don't wait right before the last boss. It just makes it look like you're enacting vengeance and it pretty much sinks yourself to the other person's level.

    Now aside from that, deciding to ignore not only the rest of your skill set but other people telling you to use them because its more effective just means you would prefer being a detriment to your party members because it suits you. At the very least, take step back, be objective about the situation and come to the realization that maybe, just maybe there are better ways to hold aggro and maybe they're right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Healing DRK is literally... the same since ShB. The reason why people think it's a meme to heal nowadays because DRK receives very little to no buff to their sustainability vs 3 other tanks getting something useful. If you're capable of healing DRK back in ShB (or any tanks), then you'll heal EW DRK just fine.

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    Jijifli Kokofli
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    Quote Originally Posted by SenorPatty View Post
    The only thing I don't like about this is the kick right before a boss. If you got a problem gameplay-wise with a player in which you know you're going to kick, do it asap. Don't wait right before the last boss. It just makes it look like you're enacting vengeance and it pretty much sinks yourself to the other person's level.
    Maybe they were trying their best to help the tank out. Based on how we have a very similar sounding tank in the Duty Finder Tales thread, he was getting advice and ignoring it. It's reasonable to think the members were trying to help OP learn their job, but his refusal caused them to, by the end, get tired of it.

    I mean, I get yelled at for not trying to help and just quickly vote kicking, so... I dunno.
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