Got kicked Right before boss.

[ArkNova]

I don't think it was wrong for kicking the OP if it is true that he was ignoring any advice they were giving him but waiting until right before the last boss to kick him and justify it as teaching a bad player a lesson just feels dirty, but on the flip side if he didn't get kicked at the end then he might not of posted here and received advice on how to be a better player. So like the OP has moved on so to should folks in here.

[Granyala]

This might sound a bit rude now, but: It would also have given some credit for something they didnt excatly "deserved" the credit for (assuming, Kaldeas report is correct in regards to aggro etc.)

I know how you feel and I share the sentiment.

Just wanted to point out the hilariously flawed design.
Imho, the dungeon itself should tell the group "nope, not with a tank like this". Then there would be no need for "toxic" player behavior towards people that clearly can't be arsed to read a 3 line tooltip and expect everything handed to them.

But you could get lvl 50 within 2 weeks of doing quests only with double bonus exp "road to 60" and sanctuary bonus (not sure do they stack).
Seriously, you expect these players to learn anything in that time? xD

If the game had a properly designed leveling experience besides the "fill that dumb bar to make it take longer", yes. The game itself should bring us in situation where we HAVE to play correctly (whithin reason ofc, not everyone is elite savage material) to progress.

[Nedkel]

Basics?
Yeah, sure.
I dont recall which quest excatly it was but one of the very earlier gld-quests (level 15, maybe?) is a lesson on Flash - Hall of Novice is a thing. If I'm not mistaken, the game sends you there before you enter your first dungeon. You can skip it, but at that point it becomes your responsibility to make sure you know the basics of your job.
Would you not expect that a healer at level 50 to have figured out how to heal you at that point?

I'm always thinking about this with a solo-game in mind, asking the question: If you woudl ignore such basics in a solo-game - would you beat it?
And what do you do when you cant beat a solo-game? You either quit, consulte a guide or sit down and review your skills again.
The problem is that in an MMO 3 other people can indeed carry you through dungeons without your knowledge...

Did the op said he didnt use flash, or the opposite side said he had a problem with keeping the aggro?
No? So he did well enough for 2-3 weeks player.

Its a dungeon with 90 minute mark, if you feel a tank not spamming aoe all the time makes it impossible to run, then there is something wrong with you as a dps, because your dps probably socks also if you progress so slowly.
I doubt his party was any good as well, but it was easy for them to call him, instead of looking at themselves.
As a tank myself i could easly tell which party i am playing with has a good dps or not, that factor makes up 80% of the party damage most of the time if the dps are at least decent, i could chill out and focus on keeping alive myself with big pull instead of doing most of the dmg. Things just evaporate so quick if the dps know what they are doing. If they struggle to run the dungeon i guess they were not good either, yet they fast to blame a PLD in tank stance for his poor dps, PATHETIC.
Especially if you realize that PLD in dungeon on average is second lowest dps dealing class with giant gap comparing to dps (2-3 times higher), if that makes it so bad to run someone is complaining how long it takes, i have bad message for them.

Less then a week actually. That buff is too op tbh.

It may be even like this, well at least for me it took about 2-3 weeks with wandering around, doing nothing and have not much time spare to play. :P

[ExKage]

A few things have strayed. OP said he used Shield Lob, Flash, and 'that skill you get at 50'. I highly doubt he meant Hallowed Ground so I believe the three he used were Shield Lob, Flash, and Circle of Scorn.

I think a few of us just expect a little better than "I just used these three and thought shield lob does better" and when someone refuses to take that advice in (he admits to ignoring that advice and not using RoH combo), then it's also a matter of 'how long did it take to get fed up enough to decide that it doesn't work'?

I've met a few new tanks who will just run head first into content without a thought. I don't know if the kicker had the chance to attempt to kick before the last boss (open chests, battle engaged). In an ideal situation I think I would have told the SCH and DRG that they needed to tone it down, be more polite. Reiterate that the PLD needs help. Going from there I'm not sure if I'd be able to just stop, trying to type out what I can in a forum setting into the chatbox.

This entire situation is a fiasco and a lot of people were not in the right. OP/PLD needed to learn that what he's doing is not good. SCH/DRG should be reported (and Kaldea said they reported them as well). The kicker (and Kaldea since they said they were about to) should have kicked at a better time but I'm not sure when they could have or if they could have done it then. Maybe they tried to be patient but that patience dwindled. In the end, latter replies by the PLD of saying this thread is a mistake and that they wasted his time don't leave me with a good impression.

[Nora_of_Mira]

This sounds familiar


Anyone have popcorn?

I applaud your correct usage of linking directly to a post and not the entire thread. \o/

[Vidu]

Did the op said he didnt use flash, or the opposite side said he had a problem with keeping the aggro?
No? So he did well enough for 2-3 weeks player.

Its a dungeon with 90 minute mark, if you feel a tank not spamming aoe all the time makes it impossible to run, then there is something wrong with you as a dps, because your dps probably socks also if you progress so slowly.
I doubt his party was any good as well, but it was easy for them to call him, instead of looking at themselves.
As a tank myself i could easly tell which party i am playing with has a good dps or not, that factor makes up 80% of the party damage most of the time if the dps are at least decent, i could chill out and focus on keeping alive myself instead of doing most of the dmg. If they struggle to run the dungeon i guess they were not good either, yet they fast to blame a PLD in tank stance for his poor dps, PATHETIC.

The opposite side, in the "Tells from the Duy Finder"-thread stated that basically everyone was tanking.
OP sadly never answered my question wether or not they used flash, so we're left with a bit of guesswork here - with the two best points being him saying that he was "using Shield Lob and that level 50 skill" and that "he was taking most of the damage". Both dont sound to re-asuring to me that he indeed used flash and was tanking properly. You cant really hold hate on a group of mobs, or on a single mob (...more likely though) by only throwing your shield at them - partly because you'll run out of TP to fast to keep that up.

And who said anything about kicking him for "poor dps"? You're the first person to bring this up now - everyone so far has simply been stating that its a reasonable expectation of a level 50 tank - no matter if it took them a day, a week or a month to reach that level - to perform the basics of their job. Which is to hold aggro on all mobs.
A tank doesnt has to "spam AoE all the time" - specially considering Flash deals no damage. A tank has to spam AoE enough to keep hate on all mobs. Or, in other words: A tank has to tank.

Bit of a personal excuse here, that you can ignore if you wish:
Paladin is actually my main-job. When I started this game I picked gladiator because, you know, I like swords. I had never played an MMO before. I had no idea what a tank was or what a tank has to do. Granted, I was lucky enough to have friends explaining some very basic stuff to me (even things like "Yes, you're allowed to roll on loot from chests. Specially when it is for your job!"). I certainly wasnt perfect - and I outright sucked at dodging. Back then the servers were still overseas and my lag was quite bad. On top of me being quite bad myself. I recall this incident in Brayflox Longstop NM. I couldnt dodge the dragon breath of the last boss. Just couldnt get out of it. The scholar couldnt heal through the poison - and you're not supposed to do that. We wiped a couple of times til they removed me, rightfully, from that party. Given my performance we couldnt kill that boss.
Today its way, way easier to compensate for someones lack of skill or lack of trying or paying attention - and I'm not talking about dealt damage, I'm talking about dodging, tanking... heck, past level 58 my paladin can compensate the lack of a healer with Clemency - and I had to do that quite a few times already.
But non of that is "right".
Just because three other people can compensate for your lack of whatever doesnt mean thats okay.

[Derio]

I dont think they were wrong for kicking OP. You cannot hold aggro by just spamming shield lob. At the most you would just run out of TP after using it 6 or 7 times like the OP stated.

I think OP needs to go look at the novice training at the adventures guild. That would help them tremendously. Ignore the past run and focus on future runs and how to be a better tank.

[ExKage]

OP sadly never answered my question wether or not they used flash

He did, as I stated again just above.

He said it here.

shield lob and that one level 50 skill you get after doing all base game paladin quests, don't know the name of the skill at the moment, also flash as well.

[Vidu]

He did, as I stated again just above.

He said it here.

oooh, thank you - I must have missed that thanks to a late hour and a horrible headache. My bad, I'm sorry.

Makes things potentailly a bit better on OPs side of things, specially considering that it means that they are able to use basic tank-actions (and granted, Tam Tara HM is a nasty dungeon to tank - all those stupid ghosts refusing to move) - still, not using their 1-2-3 combo leaves massive room for improvment...

[NazSkyre]

Last time I heard complaints like this, SE staff confirmed that "playstyle differences" were perfectly valid kick justifications. /shrug