Got kicked Right before boss.

[SenorPatty]

The only thing I don't like about this is the kick right before a boss. If you got a problem gameplay-wise with a player in which you know you're going to kick, do it asap. Don't wait right before the last boss. It just makes it look like you're enacting vengeance and it pretty much sinks yourself to the other person's level.

Now aside from that, deciding to ignore not only the rest of your skill set but other people telling you to use them because its more effective just means you would prefer being a detriment to your party members because it suits you. At the very least, take step back, be objective about the situation and come to the realization that maybe, just maybe there are better ways to hold aggro and maybe they're right.

[Jijifli]

The only thing I don't like about this is the kick right before a boss. If you got a problem gameplay-wise with a player in which you know you're going to kick, do it asap. Don't wait right before the last boss. It just makes it look like you're enacting vengeance and it pretty much sinks yourself to the other person's level.

Maybe they were trying their best to help the tank out. Based on how we have a very similar sounding tank in the Duty Finder Tales thread, he was getting advice and ignoring it. It's reasonable to think the members were trying to help OP learn their job, but his refusal caused them to, by the end, get tired of it.

I mean, I get yelled at for not trying to help and just quickly vote kicking, so... I dunno.

[Fredco191]

okay i use shield lob at least 6 to 7 times at the most[click]

That’s... That’s a lot..

[Shouko]

So beyond the kick what did they do that you considered toxic behaviour and harassment?

[xMysticx]

Kicking right before the last boss is pretty spiteful. I mean, I couldn't have been that bad if they got all the way to that point in the run.

agreed, but it did happen, also it's not even that but they literally wasted my time for nothing.

[xMysticx]

So beyond the kick what did they do that you considered toxic behaviour and harassment?

They were just being extremely rude telling me how bad of a tank i am and making rude jokes in the chat about me, at this point i'm just gonna move forward.

[SenorPatty]

Maybe they were trying their best to help the tank out. Based on how we have a very similar sounding tank in the Duty Finder Tales thread, he was getting advice and ignoring it. It's reasonable to think the members were trying to help OP learn their job, but his refusal caused them to, by the end, get tired of it.

I mean, I get yelled at for not trying to help and just quickly vote kicking, so... I dunno.

I get that, I totally do.


So why wait at the last boss? Why not first boss or even second boss? It was tam tara right? With the OP just shield lobbing things and making the run longer than it is, that means they spent quite a considerable amount of time before at least reaching the second boss.

So if they waited until right before the last boss, that means at some point they intended to do particularly just that.

[Penthea]

agreed, but it did happen, also it's not even that but they literally wasted my time for nothing.

If what they said is true then I think you wasted their time.

Contrary to what you might think, poor tanking can seriously slow down the dungeon. It's very frustrating when the tank cannot do their job properly, because then no one else can either. If you indeed were using shield lob outside of attacking a target at range, and utterly ignored any attempts to make your tanking more solid and sensible, then I'd have kicked you too. And I rarely kick anyone.

You say you rarely got complaints, well I suspect it's because a lot of players would rather endure a bad tank and finish a dungeon than queue again for potentially 30+ minutes. I know I have kept my mouth shut and continued playing with someone annoying or bad because I just wasn't bothered to hang around for the party to fill up again.

Obviously I don't know if you or they or if neither of you are telling the truth. But if they are, and the role of tanking was indeed shared across the group, then you need to have a serious look at how your class kit as a whole works or else you're going to find yourself getting kicked more and more.

[KaldeaSahaline]

Firstly let me confirm to everyone here. Yes my story and this post are the same incident. Regrettably I logged out so I no longer have the chat logs, but what I posted in that thread in quotes was what was said by myself and the OP, and one instance of what the DRG had said. There was other stuff (and yes I reported both the DRG and SCH, because the DRG was not polite, and the SCH had some really offensive macros about how drinking bleach was better than playing with this tank). I FULLY welcome the OP to produce logs if he has them, as they'll only corroborate my story.

I read that story on the other thread. I find it funny that the person said that they wanted to coach him but they got black listed. I mean, you kicked the guy right before the final boss and made that entire run for him a waste. What did you think was going to happen? I mean, if you REALLY wanted to coach this guy, why would you do this to him first? Doesn't make any sense to me.

It's not fair to the other 2 people in there to spend the hour or so required to teach someone what they needed, especially considering how unwilling they were to accepting even the most basic of advice. That is why I vote dismissed them. (for the record it actually wasn't me that did it, but either the DRG or SCH, but I was just about too anyway so it's a moot point).

The reason I waited until the end was because I wanted to give them a chance to improve. They did not. Nothing about their approach or skill usage changed. I did not want to reinforce that behavior (i.e. do whatever you want to get success with no respect for other people) so I felt it necessary to attempt to teach a lesson here.

I fully understand that the community will vilify me for this, but I hope that some people can see where I am coming from. If he wasn't punished (i.e. kicked) his behavior wouldn't change (see the fact that he likely made it to level 51 this way). I mean this thread is direct evidence that maybe some good will come out of this. He had to suffer, but this will hopefully be a turning point into placing effort into understanding the game and his role in it and to ask for help from time to time if things don't make sense.

Sometimes the truth hurts and for that I am sorry, but his play was a direct burden on others and it needed to be remedied.

I need a good laugh hope screen shots were taken.

Unfortunately I do not have any. I do genuinely hope the OP has them though as I am 100% confident they will corroborate my story.

OMG because that is the same person who was in the same group and was being extremely rude and toxic towards me.

I'm not entirely sure anything I said qualified as "toxic" or "rude". Would you mind pointing to which specific statements I said that you believed were rude/toxic?

If you're actually interested in being a good PLD, I stand by what I said in the other thread. I would love to actually help you improve. I am a PLD main currently progressing God Kefka so I have some actual insight and pedigree to help you get better. You have to want it though.

I think what's happening here is pretty clear.

OP is new and has no clue how to play his job properly, refused to get advice and came to complain on the forums because he felt the need to. Which only shows his complete misunderstanding of the game.

@OP I strongly suggest you take time to read your skills tooltips, watch some guides about your job, because it seems you're absolutly not doing it right.

This.

First of all i literally just said this was my 1st character, also i'm trying to get better i've done research also you can't expect someone to be a pro first time like i've said i'm getting better, also i never refused advice,

I'm not expecting you to be a pro. Don't be silly. I expected you to understand the basic tenets of tank responsibilities and to have read your tooltips. You very clearly demonstrated you did neither. I even gave you the chance to put the advice given to you into practice, and you ignored it entirely.

Were they in the wrong for kicking you right before the last boss? I think so. Obviously they "dealt" with you through the whole dungeon up to that point and had only a couple of minutes left to either beat the final boss or wipe (and then vote kick you) so kicking you there seems petty, to me. As to the comment by the person who vote kicked you about trying to add you as a friend, I frankly would have blacklisted them as well. I've no desires to be friends with someone who does something like that.

Why was I wrong? Think about it from my POV.

If I let the OP get credit for completing it his brain tells him he is correct in his course of action. That's not only bad for him as he's likely going to get an incredibly rude awakening sooner or later, much worse than he did here, but he's going to continue to negatively impact dozens of players.

By punishing him (kicking), he was prompted to address his issues and seek outside input. This post is proof enough that it was the right decision.

By your own admission, you ignored your group's suggestion and judging by what was said in the other thread, they gave you a lot of the information youre getting here.

No one is expecting perfection from a new player. We are expecting a basic knowledge of how to tank a dungeon by level 50 however.

This.

I asked that because I could not believe that no one ever said anything from level 28 to 50 dungeon running and that this was the first time someone ever tried to express that there was an issue.

What was your response to when they told you that Fast Blade > Savage Blade > Rage of Halone would be better?

I can answer that for you. He said absolutely nothing in response. Ignored it and said nothing and then continued to spam shield lob, and by the end of the dungeon, I made the decision to remove him.

Kicking right before the last boss is pretty spiteful. I mean, I couldn't have been that bad if they got all the way to that point in the run.

That's because dungeons are so trivial that you don't even need 4 people or a healer or a tank. You call it spiteful, I call it a hard lesson learned.

Had I not kicked them they would continue going into other parties doing this and making numerous other players miserable, not to mention the inevitability of someone ACTUALLY taking serious offense to it and saying some downright hurtful stuff. Nothing I said qualifies there.

The only thing I don't like about this is the kick right before a boss. If you got a problem gameplay-wise with a player in which you know you're going to kick, do it asap. Don't wait right before the last boss. It just makes it look like you're enacting vengeance and it pretty much sinks yourself to the other person's level.

Had I kicked them immediately they'd never have had a chance to ask more questions or improve or understand what went wrong. That'd be even more unfair to them. I waited until the last possible moment. All advice was ignored and I felt it wiser to teach the OP a lesson about party dynamics rather than give them their participation trophy. I mentioned above I know the community will vilify me for this, but this post is proof that it was the right decision.

Maybe they were trying their best to help the tank out. Based on how we have a very similar sounding tank in the Duty Finder Tales thread, he was getting advice and ignoring it. It's reasonable to think the members were trying to help OP learn their job, but his refusal caused them to, by the end, get tired of it.

I mean, I get yelled at for not trying to help and just quickly vote kicking, so... I dunno.

This.

[Vidu]

I get that, I totally do.


So why wait at the last boss? Why not first boss or even second boss? It was tam tara right? With the OP just shield lobbing things and making the run longer than it is, that means they spent quite a considerable amount of time before at least reaching the second boss.

So if they waited until right before the last boss, that means at some point they intended to do particularly just that.

Or they were hoping that he would actually take their advice and improve? Instead of kicking them right away - and probably kicked them once they figured it was useless, given that, according to the other sides version of events includes a line like "because it does good damage" when told not to use Shield Loop as much.