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    Atelier-Bagur's Avatar
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    Cordelia Emery
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaCa View Post
    Only ARR beast tribes get seriously limited by the allowance, anything past it has hard cap of 3 per day per tribe anyway.

    There's no reason to use dev time for this though, when there are so many more important things that need work.
    Not necessarily? You do realize the max rep for ARR tribes (sans Ixal) is Rank 4 right? You quickly max them out due to the increasing amount of quest givers you get after each rank up. It has a deceptive slow start for sure, but you do actually max their ranks much faster than current tribes.
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    Minah Denma
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    I see no problem in the neccessaty that players need to decide which Beast Tribe they want to work on each day. There is no need to complete every 15 Beast Tribes at the same time.

    But it seems like a problem from players in general. If there's something where a decision has to be made they rather want everything instead of having to decide.
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    Because if there was no limit to how many times you could complete Beast Tribe quests, you could farm up the Rep and get the mounts and other special items all in a day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HolyReign View Post
    Because if there was no limit to how many times you could complete Beast Tribe quests, you could farm up the Rep and get the mounts and other special items all in a day.
    I know i'd rather spam beast tribe quests from 60-70 than deal with people in dungeons. Regardless, what the OP meant was to allow you to do daily quests for all beast tribes in a single day, not that you can max reputation of beast tribe(s) in a single day by spamming the no-longer-daily quests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HolyReign View Post
    Because if there was no limit to how many times you could complete Beast Tribe quests, you could farm up the Rep and get the mounts and other special items all in a day.
    No you couldn't because the 12 allowances is an additional limitation to the individual limitation of each beast tribe.
    You could have 100 allowances per day, as long as you can only do 3 Pixie dailies per day (6 with a rank up), you'll not getting anything done within a day.

    Timegating keeps your sub running.
    With how many beast tribes we now have, 12 per day is laughable but it ensures that you stay subbed in order to get all the beast tribe goodies. Let's not pretend this is out of sheer worry for their players' health and that we'd suddenly drop down dead because we forgot to eat if they increased it by a bit or removed some of the oldest beast tribes from counting towards your allowance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rilifane View Post
    No you couldn't because the 12 allowances is an additional limitation to the individual limitation of each beast tribe.
    You could have 100 allowances per day, as long as you can only do 3 Pixie dailies per day (6 with a rank up), you'll not getting anything done within a day.

    Timegating keeps your sub running.
    With how many beast tribes we now have, 12 per day is laughable but it ensures that you stay subbed in order to get all the beast tribe goodies. Let's not pretend this is out of sheer worry for their players' health and that we'd suddenly drop down dead because we forgot to eat if they increased it by a bit or removed some of the oldest beast tribes from counting towards your allowance.
    Indeed


    Its long over due that they slightly revamp the BtQs to allow you do do a full run across expansion zones of each tribe keeping to its current 3 dailies per tribe ( or the 5 or 6 in the ARR zones once rep is high enough), and it would be nice to also have perhaps say the old expansions bar the current to have a system like the Bicolour Gems the map/crafting/materia vendors have in ShB so that its one Beast currency , keeping the current EW expansion as the unique tribe named currency.
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    Last edited by Izar_Chillen; 07-18-2022 at 04:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Transient_Shadow View Post
    just a small question. every tribe has a daily limit on how much you can do and arr content is so old why have a limitation on it? I think its high time we got rid of allowances and allowed players to got at the pace of individual tribes not a single number.
    The only real reason is that they want you to resub. Same is true for weekly currencies.
    You want to see this cool content? Well, it's timegated. Oh would you look at that, your subscribtion is about to end! Oh no, but you haven't gotten your cool new beast tribe mount yet. How terribly inconvinient.
    And this is exactly why i take it with a grain of salt when a SE representitive states that it's okay to unsub from FF when you've got nothing to do. If that's really how SE thought then they wouldn't timegate content on a stick in front of your nose while you're running on a hamster wheel. It's a business model for pretty much every relevant MMO out there.
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    Last edited by GoatOfWar; 07-18-2022 at 03:03 AM.

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    Because gamers have terrible self-control.
    See: WoW ditching daily quest limits for a time and people immediately spending days without sleep just grinding out daily quests.
    There's a solution - they could just increase the amount of Beast Tribe Allowance (and also imo, Levequest Allowance) you access on a given day. But there's precedent for limiting some of these things, which I'm undoubtedly going to get shat on for saying as such. You can't trust some people to limit themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simple_Barghest View Post
    Because gamers have terrible self-control.
    See: WoW ditching daily quest limits for a time and people immediately spending days without sleep just grinding out daily quests.
    There's a solution - they could just increase the amount of Beast Tribe Allowance (and also imo, Levequest Allowance) you access on a given day. But there's precedent for limiting some of these things, which I'm undoubtedly going to get shat on for saying as such. You can't trust some people to limit themselves.
    It has absolutely nothing to do with ethics. They just don't want you to play through all content early, because that means they would be missing out on those juicy resubs. It's just a business model, and every relevant MMO does this.
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    You need about 3 weeks to complete a Beast Tribe, I think. So a new player can complete 4 Beast Tribes in 3 Weeks. In my opinion that's reasonable. I don't know anymore if ARR and HW Beast Tribes take a bit longer but even then it would be fast enough.
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