Dark Knight under review: Feedback to the Developers and Community Team

[bustamanteverde]

Tried my hand at tanking and started off with DRK, it is fun till I received Dark Arts. Dart Arts just makes it so button mashy, felt like playing my NIN all over again. Turned to a GLD and really enjoyed how much more fluid and that shield is a Hydalen send. What is the trade off for DRK lack of mitigation? I feel DRK should have way more HP recovery tools, the only ones we have require Dark Arts before being used. I adore the giant sword and dark ascetic, reminds me so much of Guts from Berserk. It just feels overly complicated for no reason and lacks so many tolls compared to WAR and PLD. I may just level up my GLD - PLD till DRK gets some more love.

[DBelmont]

They really need to stop this pattern. All it shows is that they can only balance two tanks, which if that's truely the case, they need to hire someone who actually can.

They also need to put in the effort of balancing more than one tank at a time.

Maybe adding a 4th tank will force them to balance all 4 of them on more equal grounds? We can only wait and see.

[shao32]

Maybe adding a 4th tank will force them to balance all 4 of them on more equal grounds? We can only wait and see.

at least with 4 tanks we will have more choices if one is underperforming the way PLD and DRK do in they respective patchs and not get stuck with 2.

[RareItems]

Maybe they could change both Living Dead and Holmgang's effects just like Hollowed Ground's so all 3 tanks have a 10 second invulnerability.

Give Warrior and Dark Knight an ability to Block Damage. Maybe Warrior can have a buckler strapped to his left wrist and Dark Knight can have a familiar that blocks damage for him so they have something to block damage like PLD. Change Warrior's Raw Intuition so it's like PLD's Bulwark, and give Dark a similar Ability.

Change Dark Mind so it mitigates all damage instead of just magic.


Change Blood Price so it also reduces 10% of incoming damage, Blood Weapon also increases your damage by 20%.

Give Dark Knight Dread Spikes, Duration 30s, Recast 1min, Steal HP/MP from enemies who hit you.

Change Unleash and give it the same damage and TP cost as Warrior's Overpower.

Just a thought. XD

[347SPECTRE]

Maybe they could change both Living Dead and Holmgang's effects just like Hollowed Ground's so all 3 tanks have a 10 second invulnerability.

Give Warrior and Dark Knight an ability to Block Damage. Maybe Warrior can have a buckler strapped to his left wrist and Dark Knight can have a familiar that blocks damage for him so they have something to block damage like PLD. Change Warrior's Raw Intuition so it's like PLD's Bulwark, and give Dark a similar Ability.

Change Dark Mind so it mitigates all damage instead of just magic.


Change Blood Price so it also reduces 10% of incoming damage, Blood Weapon also increases your damage by 20%.

Give Dark Knight Dread Spikes, Duration 30s, Recast 1min, Steal HP/MP from enemies who hit you.

Change Unleash and give it the same damage and TP cost as Warrior's Overpower.

Just a thought. XD

I know this post is most likely sarcasm but, further homogenization of tanks is the absolute LAST thing we need.

[Saeno]

I know this post is most likely sarcasm but, further homogenization of tanks is the absolute LAST thing we need.

Sure, so long as tanks don't end up with lackluster abilities. Things like Rampart being on all tanks instead of 2 is a good thing but it's very homogeneous.

[Aisenheim]

Living Dead skill is not good. It is the "IN CASE OF FIRE BREAK THE CRYSTAL" Sort of scenario. It completely draws the healer's attention, it requires to set up a macro for the sake of letting the healer know "Hey I am going to die unless you pick up the healing", and it is not something you can use strategically like the Paladin HG. You only use it when things are looking grim, and by that point chances are ... you are going to die 3/5 times if the healer is not able to catch up. It is just not a useful proactive skills, it is just reactive for when shit hit the fan compared to the other tanks that can use their level 50 Skills in a more versatile manner for a wide variety of scenarios, and if you are tanking properly and the healer is doing its job, the level 50 skill will sit there like a pretty decoration rarely being used. Whoever is saying Living Dead is fine... he or she is not playing a Dark Knight I am pretty sure
Dark Mind ... never used it AT ALL.

By itself tanks are unpopular. I need to wait 30 minutes to be able to queue for dungeons compared to the 3 seconds wait when I switch to DK, talks about the class popularity in general. My point is as far as theme goes, yes I get the "Dark Theme" of the Dark Knight, but might as well make a boring class more interesting by releasing many of the the impediment or mitigating them and with this I include WAR as well. Just take away the "Death" part of Living Dead and the "Not Moving" of WAR. By the above reasons, living dead is useless by itself if you have a competent healer. The dying factor doesn't make it any better.

[Otorinth]

I am pretty sure Dark Mind ... never used it AT ALL.

DM/DA+DM is crazy good in 3/4 fights in this raid tier. Pairing it with TBN and nothing else can turn a lot of what even God Kefka does into pokes.

[whiskeybravo]

DM/DA+DM is crazy good in 3/4 fights in this raid tier. Pairing it with TBN and nothing else can turn a lot of what even God Kefka does into pokes.

Sounds like they are probably just running dungeons, which there's nothing wrong with, but it would explain why they'd never need to use DM. Still, it brings up a valid point in that DM is mostly useless outside of raids, which does make DRK feel significantly worse mitigation-wise even for more casual tankers. Raw Intuition isn't that great this raid tier but still sees usefulness in boosting Shake, while at the same time being a hell of a CD for casual dungeon running (w/ awareness ofc). DM should be more like that, doesn't have to be OP but at least make it useful for more content outside of raids.

Sort of the same with LD, being able to plan around it's usage in a scripted fight is.. Manageable. But again for casual dungeons it's significantly worse than Holmgang, which is risky in it's own way but at least won't auto-kill you if you aren't healed up enough in time. LD really is a terribly designed "invulnerability"

[Dhaid]

Dark Mind ... never used it AT ALL.

DM/DA+DM is crazy good in 3/4 fights in this raid tier. Pairing it with TBN and nothing else can turn a lot of what even God Kefka does into pokes.

I gotta agree that Dark Mind shines best when fighting bosses, but considering that it's useless against the random trash in dungeons I can see where they're coming from. I wouldn't want to change Dark Mind though, when you use it properly it feels amazing.