Extreme primals do not belong in Mentor roulette.

[ServerCollaps]

There's a difference between mentoring, i.e. providing guidance and assistance, and outright teaching an entire encounter that, back when the content was relevant, took people--skilled players, might I add--several dozens if not hundreds of attempts to clear. My suggestion is that Extremes are removed from all Duty Finder random matching queues outright, but it would only apply to Mentor Roulette.

you talk about groups that started progressing ex primals with min ilvl and that had no echo. People heavily outgear those fights nowadays, even when synced + you get the echo buff, which makes them mostly trivial and easy to teach

[JohnnyDevo]

Average player who know how to question and watch mechanics can deal with and clear that kind of content.

Consider that 50% of players are below average and OP's point stands, I think.

[Zojha]

Consider that 50% of players are below average and OP's point stands, I think.

And that's assuming that "knowing how to question and watch mechanics" doesn't already put you above the average by itself.

[KDSilver]

Personally, when I queue for the mentor roulette, I'm hoping the get an Extreme trial cause I know that's where I can people the most.
Even if we don't clear, as long as there is progression that's fine.

[Kurando]

Maybe a new "Extreme" roulette can be added for old Savage raids and Extreme primals, but including them in Mentor roulette just sets up situations that are unsuccessful and unfun.

If there was a separate roulette for just EX primals, it can be guaranteed that literally no one would do them, especially when players can just unsync them and have it finished in minutes. At the end of the day part of being a Mentor is to assist new players or others doing a duty for the first time in completing it. Yes some groups clear and some do wipe but if Mentors are just expecting a constant easy roulette, sorry but that's not good enough. We were all in the situation of being new players back in the day and they deserve a chance at content as much as anybody else.

[Deceptus]

If there was a separate roulette for just EX primals, it can be guaranteed that literally no one would do them, especially when players can just unsync them and have it finished in minutes.

That sounds to me like a good reason to not have them in the roulette in the first place.

If no one (or very few) would do this content synced in the first place voluntarily, how is attempting to force it on unwilling players better?

[Texa]

Garuda, Bismark, Odin, Ravana, Laksmi, Susano, and maybe Ramuh (depends on the tanks) are all very puggable even blind with undergeared sprouts. Especially Odin because it's hard to not to clear that one with max echo.

[Rockette]

It's threads like this that highlight EXACTLY why everyone rolls their eyes at the mentor crown. The players most likely to fail at mechanics are most likely to be wearing it.

[Vnolan]

Garuda, Bismark, Odin, Ravana, Laksmi, Susano, and maybe Ramuh (depends on the tanks) are all very puggable even blind with undergeared sprouts. Especially Odin because it's hard to not to clear that one with max echo.

Lakshmi and Susano EX aren't in the roulette. Ramuh is the hardest ARR EX since it requires people to pay attention to more than one thing at a time. The only ones I can see being real bad are Seph, Zurv and maybe Nid, but then Seph will wipe a party of 70s if they don't know the mechs.

It's threads like this that highlight EXACTLY why everyone rolls their eyes at the mentor crown. The players most likely to fail at mechanics are most likely to be wearing it.

As a mentor, I always explain each fight's mechanics, but inevitably groups wipe, become frustrated, and fall apart.

[NolLacnala]

It's threads like this that highlight EXACTLY why everyone rolls their eyes at the mentor crown. The players most likely to fail at mechanics are most likely to be wearing it.

Hence why they should move the mentor roulette requirements to mentor itself