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    Quote Originally Posted by Madbunny View Post
    Not sure if you didnt read my entire post or maybe you didnt get. The point is not to put the pressure on RMT but on buyers, e.g. no buyers no RMT. RMT guys will always risk their account for the simple reason they have ways how to recover but not a normal player who invested years. Even finding is simple, any transaction or sum of transaction from and to in X amount of time will trigger a red flag to the GM. For housing and FC - any leadership change in the FC with less than X accounts (not characters) will trigger a red flag. Then a GM can check why two people who never played together suddenly decided to replace places, e.g. why someone gave you a FC with the house after you freshly joined his FC. GM have so many tricky question to ask and dont forget the pressure for a permanent ban is on the buyer. He can lose everything, the FC, house, several years old account... let see who is willing to risk.
    I read your post. It has been shown that banning players does little to modify their behavior. So banning will have absolutely no effect other than on those who follow the rules anyway. You know keeping an honest person honest. Assuming SE could find a 100% way to confirm that the house was an RMT resale, which they can't, they don't publish players who are banned so has no deterrence effect for the population at large. There is no such thing as a permanent ban. All a player has to do it create a new account and if they were willing to deal with RMT once would likely buy jump potion and use RMT to replace a lot of what they lost. Again the only way to stop RMT and unethical reselling is to remove the manufactured demand by having unlimited housing. All of these things like RNG timer, adding more wards and restricting ownership are makeshift ways for SE to avoid having to admit that their housing system design is a failure.
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    Last edited by Claviusnex; 03-11-2018 at 12:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claviusnex View Post
    they don't publish players who are banned so has no deterrence effect for the population at large.
    And this is their mistake. I remember when i played GW1 ArenaNet didnt have any problem to publish how many account were banned each quarter... and i can tell you there was a lot of them. Sometimes measured in thousands or even tens of thousands.
    Quote Originally Posted by Claviusnex View Post
    There is no such thing as a permanent ban. All a player has to do it create a new account
    But dont forget each time they need to buy entire game, so the cost isnt only paying a RMT for lost stuff but each time they must spend for the game itself and they will think more than once if they really want to risk. For the buyers the pressure will be always bigger than for RMT for the fact they could lose everything.
    This of course will not completely eradicate all the RMT but it could lower the amount to some acceptable levels, as there is no online game without RMT. The point is to have constant pressure on buyers and RMT will drop as the demand drops. Even if you remove houses from RMT there are tons of other things what are enough "motivating" to keep this whole RMT story in perpetual motion.
    Last but not least, honest player really cant be against banning everyone involved in RMT so why not...
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    Last edited by Madbunny; 03-11-2018 at 04:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    There is no point, like I said, this trick is one time only under the new regulation.
    Those who bought the plot unlikely will try to resell it to another player.
    This is also a first world problem that only happens on monster size server like Balmung.
    There are people who quit the game and banned because of their own mistake.
    THe plots will free up eventually.
    But it's not a one time thing.
    Bot A starts an FC, autoruns through soloable dungeons and turns in every gear piece to get the required rank for housing. Bot A then invites Bot B to help him invite Bot Aalt1, Aalt2 and Aalt3. Bot A now has an FC with 4 members and required rank. Bot A now purchases a mansion and markets it on reddit for resale for 500 mil. Player Iwant Ahouse says he wants to buy the FC, gets invited to the FC, pays Bot A 500 mil, and is made leader. Bot A and his Alts now leave the FC and redo the entire process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beelhi View Post
    But it's not a one time thing.
    Bot A starts an FC, autoruns through soloable dungeons and turns in every gear piece to get the required rank for housing. Bot A then invites Bot B to help him invite Bot Aalt1, Aalt2 and Aalt3. Bot A now has an FC with 4 members and required rank. Bot A now purchases a mansion and markets it on reddit for resale for 500 mil. Player Iwant Ahouse says he wants to buy the FC, gets invited to the FC, pays Bot A 500 mil, and is made leader. Bot A and his Alts now leave the FC and redo the entire process.
    You're assuming Bot A can find another mansion to buy. I'm not seeing any mansions available out there, are you? Even if Bot A has already purchased another small so they'll have the timer bypass for relocation, they're still going to have to fight the other players also wanting to relocate to any mansion that opens up.

    Considering SE seems to be fairly satisfied that FCs in need of houses have them now, they might as well make the relinquish timer apply to relocations as well. That would really screw over the flippers who need the relocation bypass active in order to attract buyers. No one is going to pay someone else to relinquish a property when there's no guarantee they'll get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    You're assuming Bot A can find another mansion to buy. I'm not seeing any mansions available out there, are you? Even if Bot A has already purchased another small so they'll have the timer bypass for relocation, they're still going to have to fight the other players also wanting to relocate to any mansion that opens up.

    Considering SE seems to be fairly satisfied that FCs in need of houses have them now, they might as well make the relinquish timer apply to relocations as well. That would really screw over the flippers who need the relocation bypass active in order to attract buyers. No one is going to pay someone else to relinquish a property when there's no guarantee they'll get it.
    The mansion was an example. After the new wards opened there were tons of FC's being sold as FC's and relocations to bigger/better plots. Gilsellers and their bots are more than likely camping placards so they can even get houses still now with the new timer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beelhi View Post
    The mansion was an example. After the new wards opened there were tons of FC's being sold as FC's and relocations to bigger/better plots. Gilsellers and their bots are more than likely camping placards so they can even get houses still now with the new timer.
    Nevertheless, it is your own assumption. The fact is there are still open plots on other servers. How are you going to explain that? You are pretty much doing witch hunt. The airship and submarines game mechanic are only available to FC only and pretty much limited to selective fews. I do know there are people who created one man FC just for being able to access these game mechanics. Are you going to label these people as gil seller or house floppers?
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