Crime & Punishment. Why have GM's that are unable or unwilling to suspend accounts?

[Ayer2015]

This "differences in play-style" BS needs to end. While I've never experienced it myself, it fosters a negative mentality which is very apparent on the forums. At minimum people need to see who kicked them from the party. Also, if "differences in play-style" is truly a valid reason.... add it to the list and make it official.

[Gallus]

Just because it happens here and there doesn't mean it happens on a daily basis.
How many dungeons you did and how many abusive kick you got?

He's not completely wrong. Some people make a sport out of kicking others and they end up getting warned by a GM. If for whatever reason, you are sporadically kicked out from a dungeon because of "different game style reasons" or because someone has a bad day, even if you report them it will hardly lead to anything, but if somebody repeteadly does it and starts amassing reports, then yeah, they are bound to meet with a GM soon. I've only come across a couple or 3 times were I was kicked from a dungeon for literally no reason, and every single damn time they were premades from the same server and FC. I reported all of them. If they just had a "douche moment" I really don't care, I can take the kick and move on (and SE will do nothing about it, I'm fine with this), but whenever this happened I thought myself if there's even the slightest chance these people are going full rampage griefing others just like they did with me now, it's my obligation to let SE know these guys might be toxic, so to hell with them if it's the latter.

[KageTokage]

From all the GMs I've talked to about the botting problem on my server, it seems they don't actually have the authority to ban cheaters that are hacking/botting/exploiting, and instead relay a message to their so-called " action team" (Inaction team would be more appropriate at this point) that supposedly does an investigation using "special tools" (The only "tools" you need to identify the average botter/hacker are your eyes) before deciding whether or not to issue a ban.

Why this is the case, I'll never know, because every other MMO I've played gave GMs the authority to be judge/jury for everything. When I played WoW, the bots would get ban-hammered within a day of mr reporting them, and I'd get an actual response from the ones who did it, whereas I sit around with my fingers crossed wondering if they even read my reports here.

A P2P MMO really has no business allowing the same players to persist with this same behavior that blatantly violates the ToS for years on end. On Cactaur, it's gotten so bad that it's virtually impossible to profit off of aethersands/infusions due to a bot-farming FC of six+ active players constantly farming them and aggressively undercutting anyone who tries to compete with them.

I will say, though, that they're not entirely inept, because one was nice enough to forcefully change the names of someone's retainers after they started naming them after me in an attempt to taunt me/confuse others (Presumably because I was repeatedly undercutting them as a silent protest of their bot farming).

[Sesera]

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I think you missed the point here

Just let it go, move on with your life, the chance of this happening again is very slim, this is not as widespread as you think.

OP answer

Again we have another ignorant person who completely dismisses the power of google search.
"FFXIV vote dismiss" You're welcome.

So yeah like I said

Just because it happens here and there doesn't mean it happens on a daily basis.
How many dungeons you did and how many abusive kick you got?

[Riardon]

The problem with almost any MMORPG. Why ban accounts when you can profit from them.
They choose to ban only some but avoid ban the majority of them. Simply because bots also paying the monthly fee.
I've reported and submitted many bots in-game and I've never seen any ban. They keep gathering the same nodes for months.
So no they don't wanna ban bots. They sometimes ban few of them to show to the masses they are doing something.

[ShadowHunterrX]

I've ran over 1500-2000 dungeons in my time playing and not once was I vote kicked, I think you are not telling the true story, like at all.

I totally agree with you. I also have a feeling he is not telling the whole story because he pretty badmouthing them here about there DPS or how they play and at the same time how great he was.

[Penthea]

I'm not trying to be rude, but my original post said
"My point: If reporting vote kick abuse, harassment or teleporting under the ground does not result in a suspension, why do we even need GM's at all?"

Okay you seriously need to get over yourself.

You don't know if it was vote kick abuse, you are just assuming. You said yourself you don't know why you were kicked. You could have unknowingly did something that annoyed another player. Perhaps your comment "what happened?" in response to a wipe caused annoyance.

As for your googling, people raging that they got kicked isn't proof of vote kick abuse. It's highly likely a lot of the people are either embellishing their story to appear more innocent, or were woefully unaware that their playstyle was causing an issue. Thousands upon thousands of dungeons are completed by players every day, if vote kick abuse was a widespread issue the forums would be flooded with posts about it, but they're not.

Again we have another ignorant person who completely dismisses the power of google search.
"FFXIV vote dismiss" You're welcome.

You're the ignorant person here. You have this wild idea that you are victim of a lack of GM moderation when the truth is you're a victim of your inability to move on from a very minor incident.

[AxlStream]

Is this going another case of the OP being made out for a fraud I wonder?

[Skivvy]

Something to keep in mind, a lot of MMOs will do mass bannings at once. So bots and the like may get away with things for awhile, and then after enough have fallen into the net, a mass-ban will happen.

No clue if this is how SE handles certain botting behavior, but it is a fairly common tactic.

[Aylis]

Is this going another case of the OP being made out for a fraud I wonder?

It's always best to take these kinda threads with a grain of salt. None of us were there, we don't know the whole story, we don't know what really happened and we only get one side of the story. It's no wonder why others are skeptical. I've done many dungeons and never been kicked and the only ones I ever see being kicked were players that were either legitimately griefing the runs or ones that don't meet party requirements outside of random matching systems.