Im Done

[Enlial]

You know whats interesting? The pvp subforum currently has more threads than any other in the english "gameplay" section.

Nobody expects the game to be "pvp-centric". Its a themepark mmorpg. There are going to be attractions that you aren't interested in or don't enjoy. Either slog through them or accept that you cant do everything. Or go play candy crush.

Really sick of these posts. "I hate pvp. Make it go away so I can have all the glamours!!". That or people just like being contradictory because its the internet. There have always been a sprinkling of posts like this here, I guess now theres just fewer active pvp'ers posting relevant discussion to drown them out.

Also

Damn, there goes one of the greats.

What he said. Sorry to see you go

[Zojha]

What changed?

They tightened the matchmaking?

It's a constant back and forth between tighter matchmaking and better queues. The most recent change is from 4.1 patch notes:
"Matching algorithms have been adjusted for the Feast (4 on 4 - Ranked Match) to ensure players are matched with others of the same or an adjacent tier."

Before that, you had a two-tier spread. I can't remember what was before that, only that it keeps going back and forth.

[Wintersandman]

I also can't really recall any pvp centric mmorpg still survive on the market, can you?

Eve and lastly, I don't know why you are specifically targeting me but here it is. I have heard every single counter argument that people have given the PvP community. First we get "FFXIV isn't PvP centric". Next we get "If you want PvP go play Overwatch". So my sarcasm flew over your head and I wasn't even replying to you. I was replying to someone else and I responded to that with sarcasm and common counter arguments I see on these forums when it comes to PvP. So continue to come at me when you aren't even really contributing anything of worth.

[ManuelBravo]

People should know by now that PvP is an optional content, eventually it will always be terrible by others experiences, bringing FFXI into play is really meaningless do to other content having better rewards, and just like any other game with achievements most people do them for something shiny. If people want PvP so badly start PvP LS , or go play something else. If people quit do to poor PvP I say good riddance, this is not a game that focuses on PvP. Now if they want to RP a PvP their is always an option to do so without relying on queue.

[Wintersandman]

People should know by now that PvP is an optional content and other content having better rewards.

The only mandatory content in this game is the story and that is only for the relevant expansion but if I just want to PvP all I need to do is hit 30 and thus the story is optional. Other than that everything else in this game is optional content, including raids and extreme trials. Better rewards is totally based upon perception and thus irrelevant to the conversation at hand. So get out of here with that noise.

[ManuelBravo]

The only mandatory content in this game is the story and that is only for the relevant expansion but if I just want to PvP all I need to do is hit 30 and thus the story is optional. Other than that everything else in this game is optional content, including raids and extreme trials. Better rewards is totally based upon perception and thus irrelevant to the conversation at hand. So get out of here with that noise.

Everyone pays a subscription so yes you can view everything as optional, however for the majority of players we have different views. By own means pls go at 30 and PvP but if people complain there are options for them. Pvp Fc's, LS, ect. People quitting over PvP, queue wait times, or even claiming content is unfair because they don't get their way is just childish. Being you have spent enough time in this game you should know that by now. People will always complain it's not fair in one way or another. The match up are unfair, people don't give me a chance, they complain about my game style, blah blah blah. I mean come on in PvP their are winners and losers and the incentive is not high enough to say it takes priority. So stick with your ideals I don't pay your membership, I'm just given a perspective for over all how I and many others see it. Hence Good riddance to people who rage quit. Why not instead just take a petition on an idea to be implemented. Example Arena in Golden Saucer with unique prices that are actually useful to players rather than glamor with a world ranking system or special benefits for being rank number 1? Must defend title every week ect. You can call it FFXIV the PVP chronicles. ( sarcasm ). So tell me what item is currently worth getting in PVP that can actually be used as gear and worth it?

[Wintersandman]

More garbage.

You really do just type for the sake of typing don't you. Take a gander at the PvE jobs section and all the people rage quitting because their job isn't Meta or SE won't look at it. They have options to and I don't see you chiming in there. This is the reason why we play this game and because there are more aspects to this game then mindlessly doing some activity. People have the right to complain as they are paying consumers of the product and yes they get to pay with their wallet. I am not going to stop them and it is your view that there are options. To some PvE is way to repetitive and less dynamic. Others have the opposite view and you are part of the problem why the PvP community feels disenfranchised. Flat out just gave "Go play another game"

[ManuelBravo]

You really do just type for the sake of typing don't you. Take a gander at the PvE jobs section and all the people rage quitting because their job isn't Meta or SE won't look at it. They have options to and I don't see you chiming in there. This is the reason why we play this game and because there are more aspects to this game then mindlessly doing some activity. People have the right to complain as they are paying consumers of the product and yes they get to pay with their wallet. I am not going to stop them and it is your view that there are options. To some PvE is way to repetitive and less dynamic. Others have the opposite view and you are part of the problem why the PvP community feels disenfranchised. Flat out just gave "Go play another game"

Take into consideration what they have recently done. Sorry I rather they spend their time more on other means like housing, story line ect, than wast time on something that the game does not focus on. For us that have maxed out everything job / story / relic and just wait for other content, PvP content is an alternative. Just like any other FF game or many Online games they are repetitive. I like PvE content such as hunts take up most of my time and I fool around with Jobs I don't really use, got relics for a time killer, and play FFXI or a different game to kill time. I'm not going to rage quit over PvP content, I would just play something else, take a break, not play as often, and have a life. By saying Go play another game is pretty much saying if your frustrated take a break. Comeback when you feel it meets your standards or look for a game that has more of your standards rather than just say I quit because SE won't listen. They listen, they just don't see it in the best interest at the time as a whole being this is not meant to focus on PvP. Just complaining because they feel content is important and don't look at the bigger picture is what is toxic. Will this change in the future of gaming sure, how long? Till someone comes up with a better way , stops complaining, does something productive, and changes the gaming style.

On that note I rather play Dissidia NT if I want PvP.

[Risvertasashi]

This is the reason why we play this game and because there are more aspects to this game then mindlessly doing some activity. People have the right to complain as they are paying consumers of the product and yes they get to pay with their wallet. I am not going to stop them and it is your view that there are options. To some PvE is way to repetitive and less dynamic.

Personally, I think PVP gets a lot more attention than many players credit. Essentially every odd patch there's a new map with new types of objectives for largescale pvp, and even the smaller scale feast still gets new maps now and then. Stormblood overhauled the whole thing so it isn't a mess tied to PVE balance, even if this did have some drawbacks like perhaps a little too much simplification.

I don't live and breathe pvp but as someone who participates off and on along with other things in FFXIV, there's a pretty decent and definitely steady stream of content.

It's not going to compare to games that are entirely dedicated to and built around pvp, of course...

[Wintersandman]

Sorry I rather they spend their time more on other means like housing, story line ect, than wast time on something that the game does not focus on. .

Wait... the game focuses on housing just as much as PvP as it is optional side content. You're contradicting yourself. What you truly mean to say is you would rather SE focus on content that you find relevant.

Comes to chime in completely off topic just be thankful remarks.

I am not complaining about not getting updates. Yes I would like to see more but it isn't an unreasonable request. There are multiple complaints and you just replied with a counterargument that is completely off topic.

The neutering of the skillset which in my opinion is a bigger mess and they already figured out a way to balance the PvE portion in 2.0 which is why some abilities only had effects in PvP and gear was ilvl synced to entry level gear. Now they have a bigger mess that they are ignoring which is the whole point of this thread. The OP discussed the neutering of the skillset which wasn't asked for by the PvP community. People said it was tough to learn and that is SE's fault. It took players to state how much an Interceptor Drone is worth and ticks per base occupied. SE hasn't published any information on any of their modes on the point system. How much is a kill worth, how much is a fever worth? So the learning curve wasn't necessarily the skillset but how to even play the maps. I know when I first PvP'ed I just showed up and zerged with the masses. Which this SE still hasn't fixed as people say PvP is still too confusing with the simplified skillset.

Botting in frontlines which SE has done nothing to address. And continues to ignore the posts about players and the botting topic. It is rampant and as a pvp'er if you are on the opposing team it is quit funny. If you are on the team with bots you feel your efforts are wasted.

Win-trading in the feast which has been a topic for how many months/years now.... Oh wait since the release of Feast win-trading has been present. SE still doesn't do anything about this. If we want to discuss Win-trading we can also look at SE's stance on Triple Triad and the win-trading that occurs there. From the outside it looks like SE doesn't care if it's playerbase cheats since they haven't addressed win-trading in any elements of their own game.

Quick chat - SE continues to promote quick chat even at the request of having normal chat brought back by the playerbase. No one is really content with it and it hasn't really removed the toxicity. Now it's just Good Game, Good Game, Good Game.

Which leads us to:
SE's Lack of Communication with the NA PVP COMMUNITY - We get generic responses and there are entire threads where the community has tried to be positive and provide feedback with changes they would like.