Im Done

[Wintersandman]

Ugh, this argument again. . .

Final Fantasy has never been focused on housing or glamours before either. So, why should anyone care about that, right?

Next it will be. If you don't like it go play Overwatch.

[Divinemights]

Next it will be. If you don't like it go play Overwatch.

Well....technically, everyone played FF11 got moghouse that have exact same function as FF14 apartment, only differences is each furnuitres you placed also means you are increasing the stoarge for you ff11 gear. It is because the furnitues also means increasing storage spaces, pretty much everyone have a well decorate ff11 moghouses. If S/E gives apartment same funcitionality as ff11 moghouse, i bid a lot more people would take apartment decoration more seriously

A lot of players also already doing glamour stuffs in FF11 at the time as well. Only because there is no overlay technology at the time, so we can not actually make our gear looks differently. Even by that, we usually wear our normal cosplay gear and only switch to real PvE gear when there is a fight.

so that counter argument is kinda weak, but i would rather stay out of it at this point.

[Wintersandman]

Well....technically, everyone played FF11 got moghouse that have exact same function as FF14 apartment

Well also gardening wasn't restricted to exterior plots and you could garden in your moghouse. But you also had to wait until you got to Juno which was level 30-ish if I remember correctly. (Trying to remember my leveling scheme XD.) I do recall being in Valkurm Dunes to 21. Then was it Yuhtunga after that? It's all a blur .

Also if we want to get Technical, everyone in FF11 could PvP as well. So saying Final Fantasy didn't have PvP before is a weak argument and I didn't apply the counter argument I was just adding another PvP'ers hear often.

[Divinemights]

Also if we want to get Technical, everyone in FF11 could PvP as well. So saying Final Fantasy didn't have PvP before is a weak argument and I didn't apply the counter argument I was just adding another PvP'ers hear often.

Well then you should know better than others. FF11 starts 1 year early in Japan before open to NA and Ballista was not installed until 6 months after NA release. I loved ballista and even participated in Ballista Royale, but PvP is nevertheless an after thought.

I also can't really recall any pvp centric mmorpg still survive on the market, can you?

[Wintersandman]

I also can't really recall any pvp centric mmorpg still survive on the market, can you?

Eve and lastly, I don't know why you are specifically targeting me but here it is. I have heard every single counter argument that people have given the PvP community. First we get "FFXIV isn't PvP centric". Next we get "If you want PvP go play Overwatch". So my sarcasm flew over your head and I wasn't even replying to you. I was replying to someone else and I responded to that with sarcasm and common counter arguments I see on these forums when it comes to PvP. So continue to come at me when you aren't even really contributing anything of worth.

[Risvertasashi]

Next it will be. If you don't like it go play Overwatch.

That sort of depends on why. Going back to the first post's reasons... Overwatch just introduced a 'non free kill' healer/dps hybrid, with a second self-sufficient/survivable healer under testing and on the way. A fair few DPS types are raging pretty hard about this. So if you want to find an escape from "OP healers"/group centric play, you won't find it there. (Maybe CoD or CS instead?)

On the other hand, they do have gold standard anticheat. No anticheat is perfect, of course, but it's about as good as it gets... botters/cheaters aren't really a problem. SE could really do better on this front...