Im Done

[Divinemights]

Next it will be. If you don't like it go play Overwatch.

Well....technically, everyone played FF11 got moghouse that have exact same function as FF14 apartment, only differences is each furnuitres you placed also means you are increasing the stoarge for you ff11 gear. It is because the furnitues also means increasing storage spaces, pretty much everyone have a well decorate ff11 moghouses. If S/E gives apartment same funcitionality as ff11 moghouse, i bid a lot more people would take apartment decoration more seriously

A lot of players also already doing glamour stuffs in FF11 at the time as well. Only because there is no overlay technology at the time, so we can not actually make our gear looks differently. Even by that, we usually wear our normal cosplay gear and only switch to real PvE gear when there is a fight.

so that counter argument is kinda weak, but i would rather stay out of it at this point.

[Wintersandman]

Well....technically, everyone played FF11 got moghouse that have exact same function as FF14 apartment

Well also gardening wasn't restricted to exterior plots and you could garden in your moghouse. But you also had to wait until you got to Juno which was level 30-ish if I remember correctly. (Trying to remember my leveling scheme XD.) I do recall being in Valkurm Dunes to 21. Then was it Yuhtunga after that? It's all a blur .

Also if we want to get Technical, everyone in FF11 could PvP as well. So saying Final Fantasy didn't have PvP before is a weak argument and I didn't apply the counter argument I was just adding another PvP'ers hear often.

[Risvertasashi]

Next it will be. If you don't like it go play Overwatch.

That sort of depends on why. Going back to the first post's reasons... Overwatch just introduced a 'non free kill' healer/dps hybrid, with a second self-sufficient/survivable healer under testing and on the way. A fair few DPS types are raging pretty hard about this. So if you want to find an escape from "OP healers"/group centric play, you won't find it there. (Maybe CoD or CS instead?)

On the other hand, they do have gold standard anticheat. No anticheat is perfect, of course, but it's about as good as it gets... botters/cheaters aren't really a problem. SE could really do better on this front...

[Connor]

I share the OP’s frustrations at PvP being butchered then forgotten about.

Yes, obviously it’s just one small aspect of the game, but so is end game raiding.

If they decided to completely redo end game raiding and made it into something barely anyone likes and even less people actually do, somehow I don’t think we’d hear people saying ‘well Final Fantasy has never been around raids’

[Enlial]

You know whats interesting? The pvp subforum currently has more threads than any other in the english "gameplay" section.

Nobody expects the game to be "pvp-centric". Its a themepark mmorpg. There are going to be attractions that you aren't interested in or don't enjoy. Either slog through them or accept that you cant do everything. Or go play candy crush.

Really sick of these posts. "I hate pvp. Make it go away so I can have all the glamours!!". That or people just like being contradictory because its the internet. There have always been a sprinkling of posts like this here, I guess now theres just fewer active pvp'ers posting relevant discussion to drown them out.

Also

Damn, there goes one of the greats.

What he said. Sorry to see you go

[Enlial]

Lol. And on the housing subforum, you see people saying "go play sims".

[Theodric]

There is no excuse for things like win trading and botting not being on the radar of the developers. Very few MMO's have been free of such things - and mysteriously very few MMO's deal with the plague efficiently and swiftly. There's the occasional ban wave, sure, though as a couple of people have pointed out in this very thread you can go months doing PvP and seeing the same individuals botting during that period. To say that it is disheartening would be quite the understatement. That the issue has been 'acknowledged' in the form of being downplayed doesn't help, either. Yoshi-P is on record stating that it isn't as widespread as it made out to be and yet day in, day out that is proven wrong simply by queuing up for the PvP roulette.

I enjoy the game as a whole, though I'd be lying if I said I wasn't getting close to just giving up on PvP altogether.

[Kisama]

Yoshi-P is on record stating that it isn't as widespread as it made out to be and yet day in, day out that is proven wrong simply by queuing up for the PvP roulette.

Botting in pvp isn't really a problem in the JP data centers. He probably believes what he says because he's never looked at what we deal with on Aether.