Tenacity Question

[Eeshen]

Any guesses on how much DPS loss I'm looking at by switching over to Tenacity from Strength or Tenacity from Crit/Det? (Warrior)

I know people out there use all or some Tenacity materia, just curious if anyone has actually compared the two.

I know SE has set us up this way, but it feels really weird being a tank and not feeling tanking (glorified DPS).

Thanks

[Nedkel]

Its hard to determine because warrior has guaranteed crit and DH and the window is contributing a lot to overall dps.

Depends what do you want to build but i think it may be around 2.5-3% of overall dps for like 4% mitigation extra.

@edit
Oh and you never switch STR for anything else, 25 str on the accesories has the biggest impact on performance from them all.

[Ferth]

If you mean on accessories, tenacity instead of strength is a huge loss in potential dps and an incredibly minor gain in defense. This raid tier tenacity is very underrepresented, and as such, you lose a lot more than you gain going after it than you did in the last raid tier.

[FicoJM]

Assuming WAR BiS compared against an i370 full tenacity build on a striking dummy, it's around 4500 dps for the BiS and 4150 dps for the tenacity build. So around an 8% dps loss on a dummy which would be even higher in a raid setting.

For the mitigation gain, there's 800 ten (2% mitigation) on the BiS and the full ten set has 1750 (6% mitigation).

So you'd end up trading 8% dps for a 4% mitigation increase. Odds are the 8% dps is going to end up being more useful than the extra 4% mitigation.

As an anecdotal side note; having cleared the first 3 savage fights, there weren't any points during prog where having extra mitigation from tenacity would have saved a tank death that proper cd management would not have.

[Nedkel]

Assuming WAR BiS compared against an i370 full tenacity build on a striking dummy, it's around 4500 dps for the BiS and 4150 dps for the tenacity build. So around an 8% dps loss on a dummy which would be even higher in a raid setting.

For the mitigation gain, there's 800 ten (2% mitigation) on the BiS and the full ten set has 1750 (6% mitigation).

So you'd end up trading 8% dps for a 4% mitigation increase. Odds are the 8% dps is going to end up being more useful than the extra 4% mitigation.

As an anecdotal side note; having cleared the first 3 savage fights, there weren't any points during prog where having extra mitigation from tenacity would have saved a tank death that proper cd management would not have.

Do you know the items of each builds?
Seems pretty unrealistic.

[FicoJM]

Do you know the items of each builds?
Seems pretty unrealistic.

This was the war BiS I used, I didn't save the tenacity set since I just threw it together. The larger than normal dps gap is because I swapped out some str materia on the right side because the OP specifically mentioned dropping str.

I got the striking dummy numbers from this tank dps sim spreadsheet and I got the mitigation amounts from this stat interval spreadsheet.

[Nedkel]

This was the war BiS I used, I didn't save the tenacity set since I just threw it together. The larger than normal dps gap is because I swapped out some str materia on the right side because the OP specifically mentioned dropping str.

I got the striking dummy numbers from this tank dps sim spreadsheet and I got the mitigation amounts from this stat interval spreadsheet.

Ah thats why, well thats no surprise. :P
I believe the dps difference without touching STR would be much less around 3%