Dev Request: Ability to see Wyrm Wave's recast timer

[Luin]

Here is a funny thing about Wyrmwaves, you can't guarantee how many you accomplished without using 3rd parties. Which is essentially bad on a game that doesn't let you use them, you basically can't know if you're playing right or not.



Say what.

You can't *practically* discern how many wyrmwaves without 3rd parties.
It's absolutely, physically possible to estimate how many were used by calculating DPS on a target with and without wyrmwave.

Doubling the potency and recast timer and just letting it attack on its own like a turret doesn't sound like a bad idea to me.

Yes. Because the #1 thing Summoner needs is *even more* damage. Maybe one day Ruin 3 will actually be a Ruin 3, too.
Edit - That last line is sarcasm, by the way.

[Kabooa]

Yes. Because the #1 thing Summoner needs is *even more* damage. Maybe one day Ruin 3 will actually be a Ruin 3, too.
Edit - That last line is sarcasm, by the way.

Using example numbers

100 every 1.5 is the same as 200 every 3.0

[Karshan]

You can't *practically* discern how many wyrmwaves without 3rd parties.
It's absolutely, physically possible to estimate how many were used by calculating DPS on a target with and without wyrmwave.

Yes. Because the #1 thing Summoner needs is *even more* damage. Maybe one day Ruin 3 will actually be a Ruin 3, too.
Edit - That last line is sarcasm, by the way.

he said : "Doubling the potency and recast timer". No change in DPS whatsoever, please pay more attention. 120 every 1.5 or 240 every 3 seconds is the same, if you don't count minimal benefits like fitting a little bit extra in buff windows.

[Nemekh]

he said : "Doubling the potency and recast timer". No change in DPS whatsoever, please pay more attention. 120 every 1.5 or 240 every 3 seconds is the same, if you don't count minimal benefits like fitting a little bit extra in buff windows.

While they're the same on average, they're not the same in terms of damage variance against a discrete time window. You're getting more samples per unit time with the former.

[zuzu-bq]

It's absolutely, physically possible to estimate how many were used by calculating DPS on a target with and without wyrmwave.

Yeah that's very practical on a boss fight. /s

[Nemekh]

I just use the GCD timer. With my latency in mind, I pull my oGCDs around the half of the GCD and get very stable 13 WWs in every Bahamut.

You're not doing 13 ww with 2 am. Even at best case where Bahamut phases are recorded with 12ww 2 am one action is almost always a ghosted action.

The current state is just encouraging people to perform suboptimal Bahamut rotations just because it looked like all actions were valid.

[KarstenS]

You're not doing 13 ww with 2 am. Even at best case where Bahamut phases are recorded with 12ww 2 am one action is almost always a ghosted action.

You're right. Its 12, not 13. 7 GCD and 5 oGCD. But look here. Its doable to bring them out constantly. 36 WW = 3 Bahamuts x 12 WWs.

[zuzu-bq]

Sometimes it gosts and FFLOGs counts as it didn't. But you can constantly make it show as 12 in there.

[KarstenS]

Sometimes it gosts and FFLOGs counts as it didn't. But you can constantly make it show as 12 in there.

With the exception of DoT and HoT ticks it uses the data of the battle log. So its the game itself that says yes or no.

In another kill I have 35 WWs and the reason was I sucked up my rotation to a point I got trisaster not ready during Bahamut. Clearly a mistake on my side.

[Nemekh]

In order to Maximize dps, being able to get 11+ Wyrmwaves is an important thing. Without being able to see them, we have to time 1.5 seconds into a 2.34 gcd which can be a pain especially for new players...

This is something I'd like to see. Even if it was just something not too obvious in the Bahamut gauge. Not to mention when you compare Demi-Bahamut's wyrmwave versus Bahamut Prime's the audio visual feedback is not even remotely close. One is like a feeble puff of wind, the other carries weight and is audibly obvious for timing purposes. Just like a metronome.