The general player base needs to improve

[Kiryuin-Satsuki]

More challenging content, you say? After the nuclear fallout we saw following Shinryu NM?

As we say in Australia. M8 pls.

It's blatantly clear that there are some people who aren't willing to put forth even the smallest amount effort to not be absolutely horrendous. And I'm not even remotely talking about end-game content here or sneering at gray parses, I mean just basic things like holding aggro as a tank, using heals as a healer, using any AoE as a DPS - I really wish I were joking about these things.

I have witnessed some downright shocking garbage lately just doing my dailies and I don't know where it's coming from. I really have to wonder how some of these people even managed to correctly install the game, never mind actually playing it.

I'm not sure if it's actually true, but I find it highly amusing that player performance standards on average allegedly turned out to be noticeably weaker than the expectations projected by the devs. Says an awful lot I would say. Even better is that this problem seems to be confined more to the West just by looking at the clear rates for things like Ultimate Coil, where Japan has a colossal lead over NA and EU.

[Minako_Nightsong]

I disagree, the general player base does not need to improve. In my experience, roulettes, duty finder raids, dungeons, and trials have the right difficulty for the typical player like myself. Perfect rotations and melds are not needed to finish these, just a willingness to try and also to have fun. While I read the horror stories on these forums about people pressing one button or doing other trolling things, it's a very small minority in my experience.

It will, of course, take more skill and dedication to do extreme and savage content and the game already provides ways for such people to organize these groups. You can be totally selective. If you choose to try this tougher content in party finder then you are taking a chance and if you get a slacker or a troll, it is not the fault of us typical players and our lack of talent.

[HoodRat]

just a willingness to try

You overestimate how little it takes to clear most of the content in this game.

He was complained about because he's miles harder than any story fight preceding him. Nidhogg had an add phase with 3 mobs, two stationary and one mobile with a very slow attack. Shin has 12 mobs interspersed with meteor drops that would kill you at i290 if you weren't exactly on the edge, as well as being surrounded by a pit. The chest beasting "it's not hard" crowd get annoying in this game.

No one said it wasn't hard because, as Dzian said, it was hard...because half of the randoms you'd get wouldn't even bother to do their level 70 job quest and would be undergeared in addition to having no clue what they're doing.

[MoroMurasaki]

I disagree, the general player base does not need to improve. In my experience, roulettes, duty finder raids, dungeons, and trials have the right difficulty for the atypical player like myself. Perfect rotations and melds are not needed to finish these, just a willingness to try and also to have fun. While I read the horror stories on these forums about people pressing one button or doing other trolling things, it's a very small minority in my experience.


It will, of course, take more skill and dedication to do extreme and savage content and the game already provides ways for such people to organize these groups. You can be totally selective. If you choose to try this tougher content in party finder then you are taking a chance and if you get a slacker or a troll, it is not the fault of us atypical players and our lack of talent.

I don't think you know what atypical means >.>

Mo one is suggesting you need perfect rotations and melds, merely that you need to actually be doing something. I can't think of any normal mode trial where at least two players (as long as it isn't both tanks/healers) could sit down and not do anything that we still couldn't cleae through DF.

I had a MNK in Rab the other night who missed every fight. When he got called out he told us "does it matter?" and fed us some excuse about how his kid woke up unexpectedly. Well then drop! But the sad thing is it doesn't matter, our group was still more than capable of killing all our adds even with one DPS just literally not participating.

If no one had noticed that guy would have gotten his clear with literally no more effort than queueing and being willing to drag down his group... Why is that even possible?

Oh, right, because once you add in 3-4k of healer dps that doesn't even get factored into fights plus the fact that these "dps checks" are based around someone spamming one button apparently if you happen to have more than one competent DPS you're pretty much set.

[Minako_Nightsong]

I don't think you know what atypical means >.>

Mo one is suggesting you need perfect rotations and melds, merely that you need to actually be doing something. I can't think of any normal mode trial where at least two players (as long as it isn't both tanks/healers) could sit down and not do anything that we still couldn't cleae through DF.

You are right, I used atypical wrong. I'll go edit that right now. MO one should ever make such mistakes. { I am just teasing. }

We agree that trying and having fun is perfectly fine for normal mode things then. I still feel a lot of the post in these threads do imply or outright state you do need strong skill in rotations and melds to be anything other than lazy or garbage at this game and I will not agree with that.

[Shurrikhan]

More challenging content, you say? After the nuclear fallout we saw following Shinryu NM?

Best endfight yet. Fairly low damage, infrequent and quickly obvious danger, but enough things going on at once and with big enough booms to appear threatening.

But yes, on average it would take an extra pull to complete when getting it for roulette with bonuses.

[Kiryuin-Satsuki]

Best endfight yet. Fairly low damage, infrequent and quickly obvious danger, but enough things going on at once and with big enough booms to appear threatening.

Preach it.

My disappointment was at an all-time high when I started seeing all the exaggerated complaints about Shinryu rolling in on the OF and elsewhere. It truly was a moment of beauty when word of Shin NM being """too hard""" reached the ears of the devs and they essentially responded with "Well no, we're not going to change it. Please dial down the amount of sucking going on."

A small victory for the people with a functional motor cortex for sure, but sadly we might have to subdue our hopes for having another similar MSQ fight in the 70-80 expansion and beyond.