The general player base needs to improve

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

The arguments you say are idiotic, and they may be to some extent, are nothing you will ever change. The thing about MMOs is people will play how the way they want, regardless of how you or others feel about the matter. If you want to avoid this playing with your friends is a perfectly reasonable suggestion. I run into many less than ideal groups... but I don't whine about it.... it is what it is.

Actually, they're making quite a lot of sense. Far more than trying to defend the "people will play how they want" bit. Sure, they can, and maybe some will, but when they hit that wall and can't go further because "I do what I want", should we all get a dumbed down game for it?

But you found the perfect solution to your problem. Don't like the players you're matched with the DF ? Play with a static. That's exactly what you should do and what people have been doing for over a decade.

Okay then, so we don't need Duty Finder, and anyone not in a static or FC is just ass out. Too bad for them, right? And what will you say when those people start complaining about being gated from content again? What will you say to people unjustly kicked from FCs or whose statics disband, or are forced to leave because of personal circumstances? What will you say to all the SAMs and jobs not favored by Our Most Radiant Brother, The Meta? What will you say to the guy who works almost double full time hours but is able to catch the tail end of that prime time with queues to at least get a few roulettes done?

It's time to stop handwaving the problem as if to say "If you don't want to be with bad players, go find your own good ones!" If you don't want to feel like good players are looking down on others, stop enabling bad players to be bad. That goes for you and SE. Raise the bar, raise your expectations and be ready to meet them both head on. Let the strong excel and the weak falter.

That's how life works.

[Stanelis]

Okay then, so we don't need Duty Finder, and anyone not in a static or FC is just ass out. Too bad for them, right? And what will you say when those people start complaining about being gated from content again? What will you say to people unjustly kicked from FCs or whose statics disband, or are forced to leave because of personal circumstances? What will you say to all the SAMs and jobs not favored by Our Most Radiant Brother, The Meta? What will you say to the guy who works almost double full time hours but is able to catch the tail end of that prime time with queues to at least get a few roulettes done?

It's time to stop handwaving the problem as if to say "If you don't want to be with bad players, go find your own good ones!" If you don't want to feel like good players are looking down on others, stop enabling bad players to be bad. That goes for you and SE. Raise the bar, raise your expectations and be ready to meet them both head on. Let the strong excel and the weak falter.

That's how life works.

I don't have any issues with the average level of the players in the DF for most content, due to the very low skill level required to complete most of the DF content anyway. I mean I saw the OP stating he actually saw the last boss from fractal pull his enrage off, something I've never personally see. Maybe some people ranting here are not as good as they think they are.

[MoroMurasaki]

Maybe some people ranting here are not as good as they think they are.

I've played with Kaiva (the OP) and you can go look up their parses if you would like to prove yourself wrong really quick. For that matter look up the numbers of everyone you're trying to imply doesn't play at an acceptable level, you're going to see a fair bit of purple and orange though.

Foot in mouth, ladies and gentlemam.

[Stanelis]

I've played with Kaiva (the OP) and you can go look up their parses if you would like to prove yourself wrong really quick. For that matter look up the numbers of everyone you're trying to imply doesn't play at an acceptable level, you're going to see a fair bit of purple and orange though.

Foot in mouth, ladies and gentlemam.

Then how do you explain people ranting about wiping in hell's lid or hitting that fractal's continuum boss enrage ? Something I've personally never seen even though I run these dungeons as a tank.

[LaylaTsarra]

Then how do you explain people ranting about wiping in hell's lid or hitting that fractal's continuum boss enrage ? Something I've personally never seen even though I run these dungeons as a tank.

I cap tomes on 8 endgame toons per week, 6 on Siren, 1 on gilga, 1 on balmung, and RARELY have problems. If you spend time in threads like this you'll find the same people complaining all the time. Nothing new here.

[Kazgrel]

Then how do you explain people ranting about wiping in hell's lid or hitting that fractal's continuum boss enrage ? Something I've personally never seen even though I run these dungeons as a tank.

Some of the trash in there can hit fairly hard, especially with a tank not using cds (but pulling big anyhow), a healer not on point for said big pulls...and the possible wild card of having dps that don’t know what aoe is so the tank and healer run out of cds before anything is dead (which has nearly happened to me in there recently...ugh).

As for the latter? That would basically take dps that are literally spamming one button or decided to go afk at the end.

[MoroMurasaki]

Some of the trash in there can hit fairly hard, especially with a tank not using cds (but pulling big anyhow), a healer not on point for said big pulls...and the possible wild card of having dps that don’t know what aoe is so the tank and healer run out of cds before anything is dead (which has nearly happened to me in there recently...ugh).

As for the latter? That would basically take dps that are literally spamming one button or decided to go afk at the end.

I was going to answer that post but I see someone already did a great job.

If Stanelis thinks one player (especially in a support role with a bad party) can make things go perfectly smooth in a dungeon all on their own I would love to play with them because they're apparently the second coming of Hydalen.

[Metalwrath]

Then how do you explain people ranting about wiping in hell's lid or hitting that fractal's continuum boss enrage ? Something I've personally never seen even though I run these dungeons as a tank.

Even with awful dps ive never seen enrage on these fights.Does it exist?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I don't have any issues with the average level of the players in the DF for most content, due to the very low skill level required to complete most of the DF content anyway. I mean I saw the OP stating he actually saw the last boss from fractal pull his enrage off, something I've never personally see. Maybe some people ranting here are not as good as they think they are.

See, I would have less a problem with it if the devs didn't constantly prattle on about wanting to shrink the skill gap between players. That was their entire mantra going into Stormblood. Their solution? Silly gauges that more than half the jobs have very little use of, though they are pretty. Yoshida on numerous occasions claimed he didn't want to lower the ceiling but is all they did. Everything became easier, thus we're back to what incentives are there to improve?

[Shurrikhan]

See, I would have less a problem with it if the devs didn't constantly prattle on about wanting to shrink the skill gap between players. That was their entire mantra going into Stormblood. Their solution? Silly gauges that more than half the jobs have very little use of, though they are pretty. Yoshida on numerous occasions claimed he didn't want to lower the ceiling but is all they did. Everything became easier, thus we're back to what incentives are there to improve?

I mean, we track fewer DoTs now?

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Yeah, that's about the only gap-squish I can see, except in given (initially gutted) classes (like Monk having lost modular control by losing its stanceless skills). And only in the sense that such was never difficult in the first place except to highly unskilled players.

I generally hate absolutes, but it seems logically sound that whatever squishes the gap will also take from the ceiling. At best, such as through the removal of artificial difficulty or improvement of information, etc, the effect on the floor is larger than the ceiling.

The only way to squish the gap without lowering the ceiling comes down to training your population, by whatever in-fight or other in-game means available.