The general player base needs to improve

[Vahlnir]

It's a bitch to learn it with others that know it, I understand all too well, one of the few reasons I don't really raid in this game.

Just so you know if you die because of the mechanics and not knowing them it's not your fault, it's theirs for not explaining it, they also don't have any right to bitch if they don't give you a rundown first. Don't worry so much about dying at first, it's natural.

This is the problem with gamers of today, instead of figuring it out via trial and error they let someone else tell them how to play their job, aka they go to a guide and do rotations, BIS, what jobs are "meta" what aren't, what's the best for this or that. Millennials tend to rely on guides far too much.

I'm sorry, what? You want people to learn by trial and error, but are fine with party members explaining an entire fight? Confused. There...isn't much of a difference between this and looking up a guide, video or written.

[Shouko]

I'm sorry, what? You want people to learn by trial and error, but are fine with party members explaining an entire fight? Confused. There...isn't much of a difference between this and looking up a guide, video or written.

Never said the entire fight and yes if need be figure out on your own, but I realize that millennials won't do this because they want everything handed to them via guides or whatnot. Good try tho.

[Vahlnir]

Never said the entire fight and yes if need be figure out on your own, but I realize that millennials won't do this because they want everything handed to them via guides or whatnot. Good try tho.

[SaitoHikari]

Never said the entire fight and yes if need be figure out on your own, but I realize that millennials won't do this because they want everything handed to them via guides or whatnot. Good try tho.

While I normally agree with your overall message, I don't see what millennials have to do with this at all.

On the other hand, someone could adopt a practical mentality, and realize that as long as parsing (and thus DPS accountability) remains an outlawed concept at all levels of gameplay, you really shouldn't give a damn about how someone else is performing unless it's directly tied to the party being unable to clear outright (and the only content where that actually happens is in Savage). At the end of the day, you still gotta rely only on yourself, so you just have to grin and bear it. Eventually (and if you actually cared enough), you could get so good at playing your job that you end up carrying entire parties. Even as a DPS. So what if you're encouraging bad behavior by letting 'unworthy' people clear? You won't realistically see the truly awful people ever again. It DOES however make you remember and treasure the ones that actually impress you, however.

It's not worth the time to chase after people that obviously should be performing better and get them to care. You just burn yourself out. I party daily with a tank that doesn't really understand this, and watching him get yelled at frequently for being blunt enough to call people out just destroys me a little inside for various reasons. Lead by example. If your performance inspires someone to get better, then good for them. If not, they never cared.

(To the ones that know how I pug pretty much -everything- even though I'm in a network of competent raider friends - the above mentality is why I can survive such a lifestyle without descending into 'Tales from the Duty Finder' madness. Better to not out yourself and push someone into doing something worthy to be posted in that thread in the first place.)

[NanaWiloh]

While I normally agree with your overall message, I don't see what millennials have to do with this at all.

On the other hand, someone could adopt a practical mentality, and realize that as long as parsing (and thus DPS accountability) remains an outlawed concept at all levels of gameplay, you really shouldn't give a damn about how someone else is performing unless it's directly tied to the party being unable to clear outright (and the only content where that actually happens is in Savage). At the end of the day, you still gotta rely only on yourself, so you just have to grin and bear it. Eventually (and if you actually cared enough), you could get so good at playing your job that you end up carrying entire parties. Even as a DPS. So what if you're encouraging bad behavior by letting 'unworthy' people clear? You won't realistically see the truly awful people ever again. It DOES however make you remember and treasure the ones that actually impress you, however.

It's not worth the time to chase after people that obviously should be performing better and get them to care. You just burn yourself out. I party daily with a tank that doesn't really understand this, and watching him get yelled at frequently for being blunt enough to call people out just destroys me a little inside for various reasons. Lead by example. If your performance inspires someone to get better, then good for them. If not, they never cared.

(To the ones that know how I pug pretty much -everything- even though I'm in a network of competent raider friends - the above mentality is why I can survive such a lifestyle without descending into 'Tales from the Duty Finder' madness. Better to not out yourself and push someone into doing something worthy to be posted in that thread in the first place.)

Current Millenials if you go by what the wiki on it states are anyone 40yrs old and younger. So anyone 40yr and younger blaming Millenials for things is essentially blaming themselves..

[SpiritMuse]

Never said the entire fight and yes if need be figure out on your own, but I realize that millennials won't do this because they want everything handed to them via guides or whatnot. Good try tho.

If the information is available, why wouldn't I take advantage of it instead of wasting my time trying to reinvent the wheel?