The general player base needs to improve

[Kazgrel]

Then how do you explain people ranting about wiping in hell's lid or hitting that fractal's continuum boss enrage ? Something I've personally never seen even though I run these dungeons as a tank.

Some of the trash in there can hit fairly hard, especially with a tank not using cds (but pulling big anyhow), a healer not on point for said big pulls...and the possible wild card of having dps that don’t know what aoe is so the tank and healer run out of cds before anything is dead (which has nearly happened to me in there recently...ugh).

As for the latter? That would basically take dps that are literally spamming one button or decided to go afk at the end.

[MoroMurasaki]

Some of the trash in there can hit fairly hard, especially with a tank not using cds (but pulling big anyhow), a healer not on point for said big pulls...and the possible wild card of having dps that don’t know what aoe is so the tank and healer run out of cds before anything is dead (which has nearly happened to me in there recently...ugh).

As for the latter? That would basically take dps that are literally spamming one button or decided to go afk at the end.

I was going to answer that post but I see someone already did a great job.

If Stanelis thinks one player (especially in a support role with a bad party) can make things go perfectly smooth in a dungeon all on their own I would love to play with them because they're apparently the second coming of Hydalen.

[KaivaC]

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This is an idiotic statement. Not you personally, just the statement. My main is an AST. You know, healing. If two of my DPS are bad enough that they can't push the boss fast enough even with me healing and throwing out DPS every chance I get, how is that a reflection on me seeing enrage on that boss? My profile on the side even states that my job is AST.

Oh please do explain this.

[Ayer2015]

Actually, they're making quite a lot of sense. Far more than trying to defend the "people will play how they want" bit. Sure, they can, and maybe some will, but when they hit that wall and can't go further because "I do what I want", should we all get a dumbed down game for it?

The reality of the matter is people will play how they want to, given nothing forces them to do otherwise. Its not like the devs are going to enforce minimum skill level requirements in casual content.

[Metalwrath]

I don't need to improve when I can faceroll keybaord and win everything in this game (excluding Extreme primals and Raiding).

If you are facerolling as a tank then the dps are carrying you and not the other way around.Warrior has debuff he can rotate on mobs.Pld can stun and pacify mobs not mention keep dots on many mobs to contribute towards dps.Drk can blind and mana /hp regen contributing towards faster mob kills through mana skills or self healing to allow healer to do more dps.If you are just facerolling as a tank then you are part of the problem.

[Metalwrath]

Then how do you explain people ranting about wiping in hell's lid or hitting that fractal's continuum boss enrage ? Something I've personally never seen even though I run these dungeons as a tank.

Even with awful dps ive never seen enrage on these fights.Does it exist?

[VanilleFang]

I'm going to preface this post with mentioning that I understand that FFXIV is just a video game. It should be fun first and foremost. People shouldn't see the game as a chore or a job but as entertainment. But that aside I agree that players can sometimes be pretty painful to play with.

FFXIV is a video game, yes, but it is also an MMO. Being an MMO means that you will often play with other people so their time should be considered. If you are okay with just spamming Heavy Thrust, or with eating every AoE in the game, or with playing spin the bottle while tanking thats fine... When you are playing alone or with people who also don't mind. Playing this way with strangers is not only a waste of time, but it's rather rude.

You might be thinking: "But Vanille you telling people to play the way you want them to play is rude too!" No, I'm not asking people to play a specific way, I'm asking that people take other players into consideration and at least try when they are playing. I've carried teams through some content because people can't be assed to look under their feet at the big glowing red circle/line/whatever. I've encountered players who don't understand important tools in their kits. I've encountered many, many players who just don't seem to care how they perform, even when it negatively impacts the experience for other players.

Sure I could go play with a static or an FC, but I haven't really had anyone I could play with like this until recently. And even still I'm mostly playing alone. Why should I have to have to look for a group of decent players? Shouldn't being decent be the bare minimum players strive for? I can't even imagine how boring it must be to play this game when I see how other's play. (I don't want to get into this whole debate but as an example...) Like a healer who just stands there and casts Cure every 3 seconds. How is that entertaining? How is that interesting at all? Like I've said FFXIV should be entertainment first and foremost. So why are people playing in such mundane, boring, and repetitive ways? My mind can't grasp how that is fun for anyone.

This sort of leads into another issue I have... When I see someone making mistakes consistently, or misusing an ability, I might offer help. I don't try to come across as condescending or elitist, I just offer some points if they would like them. Sometimes I give pointers without even asking now because me asking generally gets me no where. The general responses to me just trying to make the person passable at their job is generally silence. I don't even see rude replies that often, just silence. They then continue doing what I was wanting to help correct. But WHY? Why do some players want to play subpar? It boggles my mind.

This post has probably been a jumbled mess, and I am surely to be labelled an elitist, but I just want people to play in a way that at least shows they understand that other players' time matters as well. Is it so much to ask that you at least try to play your job as it was intended to be played?

[Metalwrath]

To be fair i dont think its unreasonable to expect a level 70 player to know basic rotations by that stage.POTD is a lot to blame i think.

[Deceptus]

I think in general, players need to stop with the ME mentality, put some EFFORT and especially STOP LEAVING GROUPS just because of a few wipes.

Until the same people keep wiping to the same mechanics. No matter how many times you try to help them / coach them. That has been my experience.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

The reality of the matter is people will play how they want to, given nothing forces them to do otherwise. Its not like the devs are going to enforce minimum skill level requirements in casual content.

They already do enforce a minimum skill level. They do so in the form of enrage timers, instance timers, and HP values. If players are unable to successfully deplete enemy HP values before their own are depleted, or before enrages or literal time outs, they are simply not meeting the bare minimum skill required, and if they can't do that, at level 70 now, that is VERY bad.

Let me paint it differently:

You can tank without ever using defensive CDs because that's how you want to do it, but that will never mean you're doing it right.
You can be an Ice Mage all you want and never run out of MP, because that's how you want to do it, but that will not be enough for anything beyond the most casual content.
You can do "just enough" to get through content because that's how you want to do it, but if and when the bar gets raised, it won't be enough anymore.

And it goes without saying that there's something fundamentally wrong with stubbornly adhering to wanting to do things your way, if and when placed in a situation that requires teamwork. If your way somehow increases or complicates the burden on others, then that's simply selfish and a direct and negative impact on teamwork. There's no I in "team" but there IS one in "fail".