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    Gulvioir Muruc
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    Bloodspiller is not lowered by tank stance, DRK has 0 dmg penalty on tank stance because of Darkside.
    It will remain 475 potency ability, with no damage penalty.
    It does suffer a penalty. Tank stance penalty is still 80%. 1.2*.8=.96 you are doing 24 percentage points less damage in tank stance than not in tanks stance (with dark side on). You also have additional penalties like not having access to blood weapon, you biggest dps cooldown on dark knight. Once again you are cherry picking 1 or 2 things and pretending that they are the only things that matter. If you compare 400 potency to 475 potency on bloodspiller, yes the grit potency looks bigger, but as I told you in the previous post you need to take into account buffed potencies as well. Taking those potency buffs into account and no grit looks more like 480 potency and grit looks more like 456 potency, a 24 potency difference. It doesn't seem like much but dark knight thrives on those small potency increases. There are other factors involved, this same argument was brought up by Quor when warrior changes happened. In general I want to ask you if you are an alt of Quor because your writing, logic, and even factual errors are extremely similar.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    I may be less frequent but it does not matter, because 1-2-3 combo is still way stronger than warrior get.
    Yes if we leave out oGCDs, buffs, autos, and special attacks I agree the 1-2-3 combo is stronger on dark knight. You still aren't looking at the kit as a whole. This isn't even close to proving what you desire.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    There is no way warrior in tank stance could do more damage than DRK in tank stance, not even a chance in hell.
    You have done nothing to show this or convince anyone of this with anything you've said here. To recap, you've tried comparing base potencies to base potencies without taking into account class buffs and actions, you claimed TBN is a self heal (where this conversation originated from), compared combo potency and oGCDs to just combo potency, and claimed that dark knight does not suffer a tank stance penalty. All of those points are invalid and in no way represent the class kits all together and at times are just completely false.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    I could demonstrate it with the numbers, in the 60 seconds of time the DRK in tank stance, comparing to warrior using only highest potency combo, inner beast use with generated furry gauge with combo and infuriate, considering all the buffs unchained, inner release inner beast 5 times use and even 10% bonus dmg from storms eye combo is 880 potency lower than DRK using 1-2-3 combo, salted earth, plunge, carve and spit without bloodspiller.
    I could show you the numbers if you want.
    Go for it, but I wouldn't stop at a minute because that is a convenient spot to stop at for dark knight and a bad spot to stop your comparison at for warrior. 240 seconds is the reset time for dark knight abilities, and 180 is a reset point for warrior. The fully mapped out rotation ending at those times should be more indicative of what they can do in tank stance in a potency per second sense. I look forward to seeing the full excel sheet when it is finished.

    And by the way, this red herring that you have led us down with "who does more in tank stance", has absolutely nothing to do with the original claim that I asked you to clarify on which is how dark knight is self healing itself out of grit.


    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    DRK basically doesnt sacrifice anything, maybe soul eater drain when out of grit stance, thats it. He is absolutely fine tanking, dealing damage and healing himself at the same time. Warrior could do the same, but then he does less dps anyway.
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    Last edited by Chrono_Rising; 03-05-2018 at 08:37 AM.