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    Quote Originally Posted by TouchandFeel View Post
    Um ... my response was that it was more behind than what you were implying with the way you were presenting the information.
    While the importance and weight value of damage potential versus other facets of a job can be debated, the value of those other aspects can not be conveniently ignored even if individually they are lesser.

    Significantly implies a level of severity that I never leveled with my response, so please don't put words in my mouth. I am more than capable of speaking for myself.
    >>> can be described as significantly more than >. Triple is pretty significant. Or more, greater, increased, larger, notable. Take your pick it is really not important to the post. The crux of the post to cronos hardly hinges on using 'significantly' or 'more' when simply summarizing the path of posts that got here as we had gotten quite far into the weeds and felt lost sight of the original points we were going for. It was really not an remotely important point as it was a flyby to give context in the post and hardly worth picking out. Hardly trying to 'speak for you'.

    Quote Originally Posted by TouchandFeel View Post
    I think that a problem with what you are saying is that you are calling out the opinions that DRK players are presenting as being overly "loud", over the top and hyperbolic, however by painting with such a broad stroke as well as being arguably hyperbolic in your portrayal of opinions being presented and what is being said, you are yourself enacting that which you are decrying.

    There is no doubt that some people exaggerate about DRK, both with how bad it currently is as well as how perfectly fine it is. There are also a good number of people that are quite rational and measured when discussing DRK (as well as the other tanks) and tend to openly disagree with both extreme sides of the argument.

    Perhaps people should slow down a bit on trying to "win" and be "right", take a step back and have a good look at what they are saying, how they are saying it and perhaps most importantly, why they are saying what they are saying in the way they are saying it while treating themselves with the same level of scrutiny they are giving to others.
    The post was in response to the OP who asked for concensus. As you pointed out there is no true concensus and a variety of opinions, but in the service of actually answering the OP's question I divided my response into 2 parts instead of giving a thesis on the nuances of Drk in the current meta and content vs War/Pld. Broad strokes to a broad question. As comments piled up on the nuances of the differences the discussion predictably went much farther into the weeds. But answering a broad question with a simplistic, yet generally true answer is not an affront. "Whats the concensus on drk?" "Its slightly behind but if you casually read the forum and take it at face value you will probably get the idea that drk is significantly (definite intentional 'severity' implied) more behind than it is.

    Yes its more nuanced. Yes there are reasonable posts and people. Of course its a group of people, not an individual. But when considering the actual point of this thread, it is not unreasonable to state that, on balance, if you knew nothing about the state of tanks and read these forums and took it at face value, you would have an exaggerated idea about the state of tanks and the 'consensus' of it. Primarily because Drks are the loud group on the forums. If they had come in at 4.0, it would have been "Forums will make you think War is much worse than it is because they are obscenely loud about their grievances". Replace 4.0 and War with X.0 and Y Class at any point in any game and any class/faction/thing. It will hold true. If characterizing the vocal minority as making more noise and exaggerating their grievances is to 'broad' a stroke then so be it. Ill stand by that 7 days a week.
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