Scholar vs Astrologian Mitigation

[Mendalas]

Just seemed like it but maybe I misunderstood. Both are jobs are good, but I definitely think that if AST is played well, it can benefit a group more than a sch.

[Ceasaria]

Both are jobs are good, but I definitely think that if AST is played well, it can benefit a group more than a sch.

I would'nt say that, but benefit (with diurnal sect) more than a WHM , yeah totally.

[Fyce]

Strict mitigation comparison:

--- SCH ---
Adloquium (single target):
- Shield Potency: 300
- Critical shield potency: 600*

Deployment Tactics (AoE):
- Shield Potency: 300
- Critical shield potency: 600*
*Crit multiplier to take in consideration. Unreliable.

Succor (AoE):
- Shield potency: 225

Sacred Soil (ground AoE):
- Damage reduction: 10%

Fey Covenant (AoE):
- Magic defense: +20% (currently translates to ~7-9% magic damage reduction)

--- Nocturnal AST --- (Potency numbers include the 15% healing buff from the Nocturnal Sect)
Aspected Benefic (single target):
- Shield Potency: 575

Aspected Helios (AoE):
- Shield Potency: 258.75

Collective Unconscious (Self targeted ground AoE):
- Damage reduction: 10%

The Bole* (various):
- Single target: 20% damage reduction
- Enhanced single target: 30% damage reduction
- AoE: 10% damage reduction
*Very low reliability.

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- AST completly crushes SCH in terms of single target shielding. Both in terms of potency and gameplay advantages.
- SCH has the edge regarding AoE shielding because of Deployment Tactics. However, the cooldown on Deployment Tactics gives N.AST the potential to shine more in fights with lots of average raid AoE (such as O6S), thanks to both the slightly better potency on N.A.Helios, but mostly because of Lightspeed which lowers MP consumption and allows for quick double shielding (1st shield > AoE > 2nd shield > AoE).
- The Bole could've been a contender against Fey Covenant, but its unreliability is simply too big of a drawback to ignore.

I have no clue why people try to say "SCH is better!" or "AST is better!" in regards to mitigation. It makes absolutly no sense because their strenghts are in completly different categories and are very dependent on the encounter. The only thing that might do it is Fey Covenent. But its numbers are not really impressive. It'll get better as iLv increases, but still, it's not that big of an edge.

[Squintina]

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Hmm...what about Fey Illumination? It's a 10% healing potency buff for SCH. Since the shields are based on the cures, any increase in the cure potency = increase in the shield potency, right?
It has a big CD, but you included Deployment Tactics so shouldn't Fey Illumination count as well?

Because if you use a FI Adlo, that's 330 normal, 660 crit.
FI succor = 247.5

Just worth mentioning.

[Fyce]

Hmm...what about Fey Illumination? It's a 10% healing potency buff for SCH. Since the shields are based on the cures, any increase in the cure potency = increase in the shield potency, right?
It has a big CD, but you included Deployment Tactics so shouldn't Fey Illumination count as well?

Because if you use a FI Adlo, that's 330 normal, 660 crit.
FI succor = 247.5

Just worth mentioning.

Deployment Tactics is strictly a mitigation cooldown. Fey Illumination is not. It's as simple as that. Otherwise I'd have taken Dissipation into account too.
But even then, it still doesn't change the situation of A.Benefic being miles above Adlo regarding single target shields, and Deployment Tactics giving the edge to the SCH in terms of AoE shielding. And notice how a Succor buffed by Fey Illum is still slightly below a simple A.Helios. Something else to consider is that using a pet skill is one of the most frustrating thing to deal with, and that's something to take into account when talking about Fey Illum.

So, while it's true that SCH have more potential tools for buffing its shields than the AST, their long cooldowns and weak multiplier don't really make that much of a difference. Dissipation will still be used mainly for its stacks reset effect, and Fey Illum will still be used for... well, simply giving you and your healing partner an easier time dealing with something, but not exclusively shielding people.

Again, I'm not saying these buffs are useless or anything like that. But the shielding aspect of the two jobs are mostly unaffected by them.

[Squintina]

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I was just pointing it out because I know in 06s with the many double aoes, it is something that I have done (which it also buffing my cohealer's heals/regens is a nice bonus).

Not saying it puts it above AST's shields, which really do seem really good especially for single target, just it seemed like you were going for a complete picture and I felt it was worth of an *.

[Fyce]

Not saying it puts it above AST's shields, which really do seem really good especially for single target, just it seemed like you were going for a complete picture and I felt it was worth of an *.

Oh, no. As I mentioned in my very first words, it was a "strict mitigation comparison", ie a listing of all the tools with a direct mitigation effect. And my conclusion is that it was absurd to compare them because of how different they work, which also impacts their mitigation aspect.

But yes, you can very much use Fey Illum/Dissipation the way you describe it, and the one Ceasaria mentioned. It was just a fact of these cooldowns not being strictly and directly mitigation ones.

[Vyriah]

Hmm...what about Fey Illumination? It's a 10% healing potency buff for SCH. Since the shields are based on the cures, any increase in the cure potency = increase in the shield potency, right?
It has a big CD, but you included Deployment Tactics so shouldn't Fey Illumination count as well?

Because if you use a FI Adlo, that's 330 normal, 660 crit.
FI succor = 247.5

Just worth mentioning.

Fey illumination is more of a party buffs than a mitigation helping tool.
Not that you won't ever land a succor on it, but the main reason you'll use it should be buffing HoTs or in heal heavy situations. But using for deployement in particular outside pre-pull doesn't seem that beneficial.

[Ceasaria]

Fey illumination is more of a party buffs than a mitigation helping tool.

Depending of the situation, but clearly not agree on Bahamut Ultimate.
Largess and Fey Illumination are for shields (Succor or Deployment).