Give Physical Ranged Dps knockback nullify ability

[EorzeaHero69]

Plds have tempered will, casters and healers have surecast, and melee have arm’s length, but bards and machinists don’t have any knockback nullify abilities for some instances the have knockbacks. Do you think they should have one in the future?

[Rongway]

BRDs and MCHs are the only ones who can attack from anywhere, any time, while on the move. They don't need a knockback blocker.

[HyoMinPark]

Yes, they absolutely should. 100% in agreement here in implementing one.

BRDs and MCHs are the only ones who can attack from anywhere, any time, while on the move. They don't need a knockback blocker.

I disagree. The Vacuum Wave knockback in V4S knocks us back enough to where we aren’t in range to attack Exdeath anymore. RDMs have almost as much mobility as BRD/MCH, yet they have access to Surecast.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

BRDs and MCHs are the only ones who can attack from anywhere, any time, while on the move. They don't need a knockback blocker.

Vacuum Wave pushes you outside max caster/ranged. Not to mention, some knock backs interrupt your GCDs, thus only BRD and MCH suffer a loss while no other DPS does.

Or maybe we should allow cool things to go to some classes and not others so that they aren’t all the same thing with slightly different rotations and aesthetics.

I would hardly classify cheesing knockback effects with a role action as "cool things" when all other jobs can do it except DRK. "Cool" would be DRG using Elusive Jump to maintain uptime, which is unique to them.

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Or maybe we should allow cool things to go to some classes and not others so that they aren’t all the same thing with slightly different rotations and aesthetics.

[Niqote]

Well, don't the ranged melee gain the advantage of being able to attack when Thunder III needs to be dodged by the short ranged DPS and casters who need to run in for the cure stack afterwards?

You lose maybe 2 seconds by being knocked back before you are in range again, but they lose two seconds on that too, right?
We could analyze these kind of situations in all fights and it would never end o_o.

[HyoMinPark]

Well, don't the ranged melee gain the advantage of being able to attack when Thunder III needs to be dodged by the short ranged DPS and casters who need to run in for the cure stack afterwards?

You lose maybe 2 seconds by being knocked back before you are in range again, but they lose two seconds on that too, right?
We could analyze these kind of situations in all fights and it would never end o_o.

If he does Void Thunder III. If he doesn’t, then melee are in luck. BRD/MCH lose a GCD for each Vacuum Wave each time because you aren’t skipping that. Especially if you don’t have a PLD to use Cover/Tempered Will, which many I have to actually ask for that, and it’s only up for one Vacuum Wave.

It’s not like BRD/MCH do as much damage as a melee of the same/equal skill as them, so giving them a knockback nullifier isn’t going to automatically make them “OP”.

[AkashiXI]

If he does Void Thunder III. If he doesn’t, then melee are in luck. BRD/MCH lose a GCD for each Vacuum Wave each time because you aren’t skipping that. Especially if you don’t have a PLD to use Cover/Tempered Will, which many I have to actually ask for that, and it’s only up for one Vacuum Wave.

It’s not like BRD/MCH do as much damage as a melee of the same/equal skill as them, so giving them a knockback nullifier isn’t going to automatically make them “OP”.

I don’t think Bard or Machinist need a knock back prevention tool, the situations are way too sparse to justify it. In terms of your example, both healers can rescue a range on each vacuum wave, and like you said, Paladin has cover. Even if both parties refuse to help you, our massive convenience of pew pew’ing outweighs our inability to prevent push back :V

[Vivi_Bushido]

I don’t think Bard or Machinist need a knock back prevention tool, the situations are way too sparse to justify it. In terms of your example, both healers can rescue a range on each vacuum wave, and like you said, Paladin has cover. Even if both parties refuse to help you, our massive convenience of pew pew’ing outweighs our inability to prevent push back :V

I see those at more inconveniences for those jobs tbh. It gives them extra responsibilities that range dps could solve with a single button press like any other job. In addition, healers would have to sacrifice their already extremely tight tool kit of cross role skills to babysit the range dps. And if there's two range dps, then one of them is out of luck. Giving range a knockback prevention would not only be a QoL for the range dps but also so the other jobs wouldn't have to hold their hand on annoying mechanics.

[AkashiXI]

I see those at more inconveniences for those jobs tbh. It gives them extra responsibilities that range dps could solve with a single button press like any other job. In addition, healers would have to sacrifice their already extremely tight tool kit of cross role skills to babysit the range dps. And if there's two range dps, then one of them is out of luck. Giving range a knockback prevention would not only be a QoL for the range dps but also so the other jobs wouldn't have to hold their hand on annoying mechanics.

I get what you’re saying 100%, I still think it’s not a requirement. I keep seeing people saying it’ll be a QoL change, but I personally see it as an intentional design choice. It makes sense, to me, why Bard and Machinist don’t have a preventive knock back move, just as it makes sense why we don’t have a gap closer either. It makes sense why Red Mage and Black Mage can teleport around, and why Summoner cannot. It makes sense why Melee have so many tools to stay on the boss (both role class and their job class), and why tanks only have one/none. Just my .02 though