Omega and Midgarsomr - Possible XV origins

[DamianFatale]

As we know, the Sigmascape is coming to Final Fantasy XV with the Royal Edition update. It is also implied that Omega might have been created by the ancient people of Solheim, in order to rebel against the six astrals. At this point it is just speculation, but if its true then it has big consequences for XIV's story.



Omega isn't really a problem, but Midgardsomr is. In Final Fantasy XV he is just a common snake enemy. How could he possibly have come from Eos if that is the case? This makes no sense.



Remember that Omega is one of the few beings that can travel between the games. Gilgamesh is also one of these. Midgardsomr is talked as if he did, but we don't know enough about him to be sure. Also nobody really knows if the Gilgamesh in XV is even the same as other games. Nomura, and his teams haven't been quite clear on that. I think they should, because if they're going to deal with these characters, then they need to make sure they are careful about the way they tread on other games.

[Anonymoose]

When you say "Sigmascape" do you mean that the word Sigmascape appeared in FFXV promotions somewhere?

[It was made by an ancient civilization.] is to Omega what [There are black ones that can fly.] is to chocobos - something that is simply baked into the template. Along with [It came here from...elsewhere...], it's just a repetitive feature of the various machines' histories.

Thus, to conclude that any Omegas are the same entity (without iron-clad in-game and/or developer confirmation) may be a mistake.

It's similar to Gilgamesh - it's baked into the template that Final Fantasy Gilgameshes often [came from...elsewhere...] and [can use portals not open to the majority of creation]. One confirmed instance of a game opting-in to them being the same entity, two or three deliberately ambiguous ones, and a handful of Gilgamesh that merely follow the template without further comment have spawned countless versions of fan theories that MORE or ALL Gilgamesh must therefore be the same "man", including some that he was "born" in Type-0 before going to FFXI and so on, lol.

Naoki Yoshida has repeatedly stated (including during Deltascape, when people falsely claimed XIV Omega was the same entity from FFV) that Hydaelyn is isolated, which implies [A] the cross-over events are just pseudocanon funtimes (see: Yo-Kai Watch) and [B] just because something might be canon within, say Dissidia or Mobius, does not necessarily mean that it's canon outside of it. I feel like that statement holds the most authority until he himself recants it.

That is, unless I've missed some XV promos that say otherwise.

I am...not up to date, lol.

[Dualblade]

If you REALLY wanted to go for "Omega goes to different games" you don't even have to say its the same Omega. The Omega created in XII was given the ability to reproduce, with the mimics of that game also being lesser versions/possibly born from it. The Omega you fight is "Omega Mark XII" so it might not even be the original, and the one we know was the original from the documents you can find out about it also say it dissapeared shortly after facing off against its target (Implied to be Yiazmat, a dragon that is the last hunt target you can go against and also unlocks Omega Mark XII to fight.)

So you could say that the XIV Omega was spawned from the XII Omega, same with many other Omegas. Hell the FFV GBA version actually has a dungeon room FULL of Omegas and holding a Omega Mark II.

That said Omega tends to be seen as "shows up in many games but isn't the same exact character" like the Cids, rather than "Might actually be the same character" like Gilgamesh is seen/implied to be. The same for Shinryu at that, he tends to just be a bonus boss but turns out to have a MUCH bigger role in Dissidia (and with no Omega to boot funnily enough.)

[DamianFatale]

Regardless of what you may think, I still want to hear what the devs would have to say of this. It has not been cleared up.

[Annana]

Regardless of what you may think, I still want to hear what the devs would have to say of this. It has not been cleared up.

The games aren't connected. Full stop.

Every other FF game referenced in FFXIV have been as "fairy tales" or "children's stories".

[Hinoto-no-Ryuji]

It has not been cleared up.

I dunno, precedent makes it seem pretty clear to me: they aren't the same beings. Omega looking similar means about as much as, say, XIV's Goblins looking identical to XI's - that is to say, nothing. And since XV's Midgardsormr being at all related to XIV's is predicated exclusively on the idea that this Omega is the same, it's a total non-issue.

What makes you think either of these are the same entities that appear in XIV?

[Anonymoose]

One one hand...

To be absolutely clear, there is no direct connection between FFXIV’s Hydaelyn and FFXII’s Ivalice or even FFXI’s Vana’diel. They are not the same world in different dimensions or time—they are their own separate worlds.

[As of Return to Ivalice, on the subject of Hydaelyn's isolation] My stance, personally, has not changed.

On the other hand, I understand that people sometimes need the devs to reaffirm these things. Sometimes, when new content is released, things change. Perspective evolves. I've yet to see cause to believe that things have changed on this front, but I've been wrong before. And I can't count how many times people have needed their confidence restored that the time bubble didn't burst, sight unseen, between patches somewhere.

So in terms of, "I'd like to hear it from the devs again." Eh, that's fair.

Even I'm just an archivist. :P

[Chewy2nd]

One one hand...





On the other hand, I understand that people sometimes need the devs to reaffirm these things. Sometimes, when new content is released, things change. Perspective evolves. I've yet to see cause to believe that things have changed on this front, but I've been wrong before. And I can't count how many times people have needed their confidence restored that the time bubble didn't burst, sight unseen, between patches somewhere.

So in terms of, "I'd like to hear it from the devs again." Eh, that's fair.

Even I'm just an archivist. :P

While it is true they're different dimensions
FFXV Omega spoilers

Omega literally comes into Insomnia straight through the Interdimension Rift, also, I can't help but notice his look is very similar to how he looks in XIV, but with a few upgrades, Gladio remarks that Omega has been mentioned in the history of Eos, but he could be simply repeating what he did on Hydaelyn. This Omega looks like he's the same one, but perhaps upgraded following its predicted battle with the Warrior of Light (since I don't think we will destroy Omega)

Comparison pictures

[Okamimaru]

I've always liked the idea of Gilgamesh being the same guy in every world... but he's an exception... if it's ever made Canon that he is in fact the same guy I hope they never explain how... that mystery fits him too well..
As for everyone else they are just similar but not the same people/entities...

[Annana]

I've always liked the idea of Gilgamesh being the same guy in every world... but he's an exception... if it's ever made Canon that he is in fact the same guy I hope they never explain how... that mystery fits him too well..
As for everyone else they are just similar but not the same people/entities...

He always seems to pop up via the interdimensional rift. But since he's really not a serious character, I don't mind that he just kind of blunders his way into the other games.