Samurai and Red Mage

[Zyneste]

Ok, it makes sense putting it that way. So basically just because I have an attack that can be higher than anyone else my overall total damage is less.

I don't pretend to be an expert at dps, so I appreciate you explaining!

Your overall damage could be less. You have to keep up with as many aspects of the job as you can. SAM is top melee for personal greedy dps and contends with blm/smn for highest personal dps.

SAM potential is very high, but one high attack won't carry your dps if you can't sustain, say keeping up your dot in relevant situations for example.

[Relhon]

So why all the hate on SAM if the potential is there? Are people just not playing it right or is it something else? A lot of things I've read about SAM say it's got incredible dps capability which is why I'm curious.

[Kabooa]

So why all the hate on SAM if the potential is there? Are people just not playing it right or is it something else? A lot of things I've read about SAM say it's got incredible dps capability which is why I'm curious.

Objectively speaking, it doesn't matter if you're #1 DPS if that's all you bring, and the #2 DPS is behind by 1% but brings other goodies.

You're still a !@#% job.

[EllieShadeflare]

So why all the hate on SAM if the potential is there? Are people just not playing it right or is it something else? A lot of things I've read about SAM say it's got incredible dps capability which is why I'm curious.

Objectively speaking, it doesn't matter if you're #1 DPS if that's all you bring, and the #2 DPS is behind by 1% but brings other goodies.

You're still a !@#% job.

Without the honestly... combative language that Kabooa used, I'd like to draw attention to the potential issue of rDPS and pDPS, and why BLM is KIIIIINDA starting to improve in the right direction.

A major issue with the pure DPS jobs, is that compared to other jobs, their personalDPS is simply not equivalent to the raidDPS of most other DPSes.

http://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encount...pjVCnkGBwKH/10

Here's an example of what I'm talking about. BLM's massive 7500~ pDPS in this party could not have been obtained on its own, and as a result, its actual rDPS contribution is much smaller than the other jobs. And mind you, this is a BLM at (as far as I'm aware) 100 percentile.

There will be a day that SE sees the issue and brings SAM and BLM up to speed but this might not be that day.

[Kabooa]

I didn't mean 'you' the person, but 'you' the theoretical collective.

[EllieShadeflare]

I didn't mean 'you' the person, but 'you' the theoretical collective.

Fair enough, but it was a rude way of putting it that can be seen as an attack. Don't wanna see people get their nappies in a bunch.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

That BLM is still 300 dps higher than the next highest, in rDPS. I would say thats not at all smaller lol.

[EllieShadeflare]

That BLM is still 300 dps higher than the next highest, in rDPS. I would say thats not at all smaller lol.

Again, this is a 100 percentile BLM vs a group of those who are all 80-99. with a wide range of values between them.

A better comparison is this one, with each of the players at the same level, though the BLM is a mere 2 percentile below. http://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encount...pFqzgXxtJrb/13

BLM's performance is almost 800-1000 DPS below the other three DPS, raid performance wise, which really shows the bad spot BLM has. If playing at the same level, that contribution might RISE, but not by much.

300 DPS higher than everyone else who happens to be 3-19 percentiles lower than you is not at all impressive on the grand scale of things.

[EllieShadeflare]

You left out the bit about the rest of the group being lower , but they are all 98-99% according to the log.

That's fair, though which one are you talking about for the second one? The one that the first Heroku linked to was this one: https://www.fflogs.com/reports/7av1y...pe=damage-done and focussing on Perf%.

The second Heroku is this one: https://www.fflogs.com/reports/37dyk...pe=damage-done

But even the healers are pulling over 3k, this is not normal occurance.[/QUOTE]

Their performance being at 99% would prove you correct, though rDPS has more to do with contributions+DPS. Which is why pDPS isn't the best way of looking at viability because a job can be hitting hard but not contributing much.

How does an 80% across the board log look when adjusted?[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure, Heroku only calculates rDPS from encounters.