Samurai and Red Mage

[Dualgunner]

But you have to remember bard have that "same" damage only because they have dragoon. If bard can do same dps than rdm that mean rdm is doing 300 dps more than bard. Bard/mch is balanced without disembowel. If you check raid dps calculator even rdm can reach 6.7k + raid dps contribution. If their damage would get boosted 200 - 300 they could be close to meta.

I can hit purple MCH without Dragoon, therefore I can surmise that your statement isn't necessarily true. I'll cede most high parsing BRD/MCH have that added damage boost, however it's not a good comparison to just compare 75th percentile to 75th percentile, because 75th percentile can be easily reached without that damage boost for instance.

Also can you link the specific logs where RDM hits 6.7k+ with rDPS? I'm looking at Jump Man's best Demon Chad his rDPS drops to 6.3k. https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...qT3wMxhkr8BY/7 and likewise with his God Kefka clear https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...qT3wMxhkr8BY/7, and he's one of the best RDM there are, so I don't know where else to look.

[Sunako]

Also can you link the specific logs where RDM hits 6.7k+ with rDPS?

There is atleast one.
https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...7MzXTDgCYL2/45
second
https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...c78aDbz1Hhy6/6

[Remedi]

nah SMN is more desireable because it brings the MVP ruby carbuncle /Kappa

[Maeka]

One thing I REALLY wish they would do with RDM is change how Embolden works.

Embolden currently gives the RDM themselves Magical Attack up, and it gives EVERYBODY else Physical Attack up.

Well, when you have a SMN or BLM in the group, Embolden suddenly loses most of its effectiveness.

Embolden should give Magical Attack up to all healers, SMN and BLM, and it should give Physical Attack up to Ranged, Tank and Melee.

At least that little change would at least make Embolden a little more attractive.

[Remedi]

I insist that we should insist to make casters and magical dmg better before we can really talk about balance of buff.
As long as physical buffs get a +2 thanks to the presence of tanks the balance will always be shifted to that side

(that is unless Yoshida starts adding mandatory caster LB3 everywhere lol)

[GhostZukin]

I don't mind as a Red Mage, being a utility DPS like Bard; the idea is fine, it's just I don't want our only utility to be quick rezzes. I would gladly trade a 60s cd for Verraise if it means we get some buffs on embolden to increase ALL damage by 10% without the decreasing effect.

[Shiroe]

@Dualgunner

the only place rdm will be asked to go smn, are occasionally in speed kill Pfs .. or Pfs with general lacking Dps (hitting enragez), .. other than those occasional situations, Rdm get in PFs just fune in 99% of the time..

yes, brd does have a lot of utility,.. but Rdm has very unique (and sometimes very loved) utility...

giving Rdm a tick more dps can be fine, but making the jack of all trades more powefull (too powerfull) can make Rdm the most desirable dps of all for all content, pushing blm back in the dark ages (since blm is till not loved in most content other than farming or roulettes)

smn very desirable, more than Rdm in (farm) savage and ultimate content, but Rdm still is desirable there and Rdm is more desirable in other contents too.., its overall still well balanced..

[M1551NGN0]

@Dualgunner

the only place rdm will be asked to go smn, are occasionally in speed kill Pfs .. or Pfs with general lacking Dps (hitting enragez), .. other than those occasional situations, Rdm get in PFs just fune in 99% of the time..

And what if there's a SMN already, or the RDM doesn't have a 70 SMN? Or perhaps that they enjoy RDM more than SMN? (me)

yes, brd does have a lot of utility,.. but Rdm has very unique (and sometimes very loved) utility...

Verraise is incredibly overrated. It drains the RDM's mana a lot and can still lead to wipes because of weakness. Embolden has some (key word, SOME) use if the three other dps are physical attackers.

giving Rdm a tick more dps can be fine, but making the jack of all trades more powefull (too powerfull) can make Rdm the most desirable dps of all for all content, pushing blm back in the dark ages (since blm is till not loved in most content other than farming or roulettes)

smn very desirable, more than Rdm in (farm) savage and ultimate content, but Rdm still is desirable there and Rdm is more desirable in other contents too.., its overall still well balanced..

I am pretty sure Dual is not asking for RDM to be another SMN or to replace BLM. We just want to be viable after progression. I'm sorry, but if I'm doing ~5k dps in Tsukuyomi EX farms and hit the purple percentage, then something needs to get done.

[Maero]

Well yes some groups do have Red Mages but a majority of groups doing Savage do not and for many reasons.
Every other job except i guess Sam just bring so much more then Red Mage.
I cannot believe some still insist that Red Mage utility is such a great thing when it is nothing outside of progression

[Shiroe]

drg (himself and buffs others), sam & blm just bring "dps"..

nin, brd & mch bring real utility other than just "dps",

besides smn and rdm (rez)... and mnk (mantra)

looking at that, Rdm should have more deeps.. (close but not quite smn, mnk level??), .. maybe nin level (without TA)?