Balance the DPS or increase enrage timers.

[Shiroe]

will blm just stop asking for more party support / utility, god dammit (who are the $/&*%÷$ asking for it?... lol

if anything sam and blm need a big and slight buff, smn and mnk are still too close in many comps and fights dps wise (+ they contribute dps party buff + utility)..

if anything, give blm a slight magic vun, but than ask / mention it with some brains to Yoshi

[zuzu-bq]

SE also balances jobs, depending on the size of the player base..

Not entirely true. MCH and DRK haven't been really buffed outside the first few weeks and they're jobs you'll rarely see anywhere while being the bottom of any popularity pool.

[Firemblem]

Not entirely true. MCH and DRK haven't been really buffed outside the first few weeks and they're jobs you'll rarely see anywhere while being the bottom of any popularity pool.

MCH can RLY use a LOT of QOL changes to see some play, tha class is fine in dmg but is a mess compared to everything in this game!

[zuzu-bq]

MCH can RLY use a LOT of QOL changes to see some play, tha class is fine in dmg but is a mess compared to everything in this game!

I agree entirely. But QoL won't always translate into direct buffs for the job, DRK also needs some of it.

[Sylvain]

MCH can RLY use a LOT of QOL changes to see some play, tha class is fine in dmg but is a mess compared to everything in this game!

I think this is the biggest issue with MCH
It's clunky and I don't think the WF mechanic is enjoyed by many people. Technically it's a bit like freadwyrm stance except that the latter is much more easy to use and actually fun (all instant woo-hoo)
At least this is the kind of feedback I got from most people. Also the job being too centered around this mechanic perhaps.
I don't know what they could do to fix it.

I personally like the heat and random combo mechanic and I wouldn't mind them dropping (or highly simplifying it) for more heat and combo

I also don't like the 5% buff. I don't see the point of that skill. It has no interaction with anything. It's just there

[Zyneste]

Straight from Yoshi in the Live Letter. Notice in the second paragraph he clearly states what he thinks about current jobs and the balancing.

Also, there seems to be a trend where players believe they are at a disadvantage when there is a certain job in the raid. There won't be a major advantage or disadvantage no matter what setup you have. This type of trend gives a negative impression to specific jobs. We would appreciate if the community would stop being swayed by this trend.[/I]

A bard/mch not having a DRG in their party, does put them at a disadvantage. A healer missing refresh is at a disadvantage compared to a group who has refresh.

Its not so much "Oh no we have a samurai in the party his greedy DPS is gonna take away all our deeps," but instead "Where is my Dragoooooon, Where is my piercing down and litany?!!?!"

[Caitlyn]

I think this is the biggest issue with MCH

I m actually very fine with the playstyle of MCH. I kinda miss my half-caster-MCH from HW, to be honest, but its not that bad as it was with 4.0.

The only thing which concerns me is, that MCH DPS depends alot from META (especially from DRG... that 5% piercing damage). No DRG, 5-6% less damage. No NIN, 2-3% less. Playing MCH in a group of SAM, BLM and MNK (or other random non-META-DPS) will result in about 10% less DPS, no matter how hard you try.

[Kurando]

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Both AST and SCH can use abilities that effect Critical output, shouldn't have to always rely on having a DRG for Litany. Casters also have access to Mana Shift, and all the healers have ways to recuperate MP, so again not always necessary to have BRD/MCH.

It's exactly what Yoshi was saying, every setup is viable and no single job should be isolated just because it doesn't bring this or that. They all bring something and may vary greatly on the situation, i.e. doing progressions or quickfarms etc. Obviously if you want high DPS then yeah you might want all the buffs/utility etc, but that's something that would be discussed with a party before hand. Casually though everything can be completed no matter the set up, even if the DPS is slightly lower, players often are satisfied with the result regardless.

[Zyneste]

Both AST and SCH can use abilities that effect Critical output, shouldn't have to always rely on having a DRG for Litany. Casters also have access to Mana Shift, and all the healers have ways to recuperate MP, so again not always necessary to have BRD/MCH.

It's exactly what Yoshi was saying, every setup is viable and no single job should be isolated just because it doesn't bring this or that. They all bring something and may vary greatly on the situation, i.e. doing progressions or quickfarms etc. Obviously if you want high DPS then yeah you might want all the buffs/utility etc, but that's something that would be discussed with a party before hand. Casually though everything can be completed no matter the set up, even if the DPS is slightly lower, players often are satisfied with the result regardless.

Manashift is limited. It is not free. A RDM who manashifts cannot also raise or even manashift for the entirety of the fight without refresh filling back up your mp. Manashift also does not affect both healers at the same time, as refresh does with twice the amount of MP given back. With dragoons and brd/mch a 5%+ damage from just having a class present with you is insane. You are literally gimping your bard/MCH if you dont have a DRG in comp.

Anything can be completed by any comp yes, but the skill ceiling of those using them have to be higher. [Meaning, those that use the "meta" have higher chances with the average party than those who do not. You go from needing 4 70th percentile DPS for example, to needing 4 75th percentile DPS to make up the difference.]

[Shurrikhan]

MCH can RLY use a LOT of QOL changes to see some play, tha class is fine in dmg but is a mess compared to everything in this game!

While improvements to QoL and against bloat are certainly far more significant of needs, a MCH simply cannot compete with Bard for rDPS at present. Hypercharge provides a larger boost in well-coordinated burst than Foe Requiem, but not by much. And then Bard carries a permanent 3% DHit buff aura and a 15% raid CD atop that. Bard is also technically a bit less dependent on others' raid CDs apart from crit buffs, slightly less dependent on DRG, stands to lose less from downtime, and almost always has higher personal DPS.