Balance the DPS or increase enrage timers.

[Silver_Blade]

The meta issue is ruining this game
It is unacceptable to have tight enrage timers and DPS checks when some classes are significantly behind in DPS due to simple weakness like RDM or lack of utility like SAM / BLM

I don't see how the dev's find it wise to have tight enrages when they know some classes just aren't up to snuff in terms of DPS and while one healer is a large DPS gain over the others

You are driving people away from the game because they can't play the classes they like and have use classes they dislike just to beat enrage.

[Silver_Blade]

They also need to raise the limit on these forums above 1000 characters.........
Why on earth do they limit people to 1000 character posts?
Seriously. Limiting it to 3.5k-5k I can understand so people don't mass spam but 1k is absurd.
They can't even balance the forum letter count.

[HyoMinPark]

You can edit your original post to bypass the 1,000 character limit. It's clunky and arbitrary though, but for future reference.


As for your concerns, the healers are actually all relatively balanced right now, and equally desired from what I've seen. WHM/SCH is generally used for prog, and SCH/AST is the speed kill meta. Ironically, AST is the weakest in terms of DPS, but is meta for utility. WHM and SCH DPS seems fairly equal, though WHM does pull ahead.

As for SAM and BLM, the former still needs some help because it is being outDPS'd by MNK at higher percentiles (which is also non-meta), but BLM is actually really powerful now from what I hear. RDM could stand some potency buffs, since it's weaker than the jobs that bring the most utility to a group (BRD and DRG), and has less utility than both.

As for the enrage/DPS checks, all jobs can clear content. That doesn't mean they are properly balanced, but there is not a single job that cannot clear every piece of content in this game. This includes Ultimate.

The issue stems more from SE will not let the "selfish DPS" actually be selfish, and they are getting blown away by meta utility jobs--or even non-meta utility jobs, in the case of MNK destroying SAM--in terms of damage.

[Shurrikhan]

As for SAM and BLM, the former still needs some help because it is being outDPS'd by MNK at higher percentiles (which is also non-meta), but BLM is actually really powerful now from what I hear. RDM could stand some potency buffs, since it's weaker than the jobs that bring the most utility to a group (BRD and DRG), and has less utility than both.

I feel like BLM could still stand to lose a little less DPS to downtime through other small buffs, as SMN generally will outparse it in fights that don't allow for much standing around, but I'm really hoping we hear something about RDM's Manafication no longer removing combos and/or Enchanted Riposte only costing 25 mana such that the combo costs only 75, down from 80, and maybe the engage/disengage skills getting slightly shorter CDs or the like.

I really hope that they can improve upon its viability even after progression without resorting to yet more buffs to nuke skills or the like -- even as characteristic as that's been for past balances...

Above all, though, RDM (more so perhaps even than SMN) could really benefit from a revision of how SpS (and SkS, for that matter) works.

[Dualblade]

Increasing the enrage timer won't change the meta because people who are going for speed kills shouldn't be hitting the current enrage anyways. You can currently complete the fights without a meta comp, this isn't Gordias.

[RLofOBFL]

I mean you can clear everything at min ilvl with any comp. Like DRK DRK SCH SCH RDM RDM RDM RDM could clear anything. The difference is how well you have to play your job comparatively. You want to play SAM? Fine but you better be breaking 5.5K like it's nothing bc that's all you bring. You basically have to be pulling 95%+ numbers to clear said content.

The only time it's not true is when you're under the recommended ilvl, so at 340 you couldn't clear God Kefka even with meta comp.

Ofc all of that is ignoring LB build. Like DRK, PLD, AST, WHM, SAM, RDM, MNK, BLM at 95% would have a combined Rdps to clear everything rn.

[Wintersandman]

It would be better just to get rid of Piercing/Blunt/Slashing and Physical/Magical Damage boosts.

[KDSilver]

"tight enrage".

Sorry but "LOL".
They already fixed this whole thing in 3.4 and so on.
Enrage aren't "tight" anymore. First weeks looks difficult for average player, but gearing up makes it be easier.

Just be patient or... well, DPS should just actually learn their rotation.

Parties always have at least one or 2 people buffing.

There are some balacing issues indeed, but none that prevent any comp to clear the current content.

[Sunako]

Imo balance is pretty good in this game. Player skill and gear affect lot more than job balance.

Enrage timers are pretty easy already. I even killed god kefka with my alt 30 sec before enrage via random partyfinder party during this week.

[Kitfox]

The meta issue is ruining this game
It is unacceptable to have tight enrage timers and DPS checks when some classes are significantly behind in DPS due to simple weakness like RDM or lack of utility like SAM / BLM

I don't see how the dev's find it wise to have tight enrages when they know some classes just aren't up to snuff in terms of DPS and while one healer is a large DPS gain over the others

You are driving people away from the game because they can't play the classes they like and have use classes they dislike just to beat enrage.

Enrages haven't been tight since Gordias. I cleared current savage on week one with RDM and I didn't even play that well. So tell me more about how the weakest dps can't clear fights.

People don't realize how good the class balance is because 95% of them don't look at the whole picture with raid contributions or understand the related math, RNG factors and inaccuracies act/fflogs have. While there are certainly some things that could be improved for balance and party setup flexibility, meta is really not something anyone should be worrying about outside of world ranking speed runs. Unless your whole party is playing at 99%, raising everyone's personal contribution is a bigger factor than party setup in most cases, not to even mention RNG factors such as crit/dhing your biggest hitting moves instead of your auto-attacks, encounter specific timings that are better for some classes than others, ending the fight on a burst window, and so on.

The bigger problem is people's incorrect perception of the balance, which I blame on not having accurate information easily available in game for dps and raid contributions.