WHY is there a 2 chest , 1 chest, 0 Chest limit on savage?!

[s3riot]

Ok, I'd first like to say, I played FFXI for years, switched to WoW for around 8 years, and am now playing FFXIV. I'm Fairly new, within the last 6 months.

I do not understand the reasoning behind making sigmascape savage, for example, cut down to 1 chest if someone who has already completed it joins a group to do it.

WHY NOT just make it so they can't receive any loot like normal mode? What is the point of this?

I would personally like to join some party finders to redo the content after completing it to brush up on the mechanics and what not. This makes it so basically it can only be done once per week. (before anyone says anything, yes, you can make a party just for funsies, but really how many people join those).

I really don't understand this. Just make it so if someone has completed it already, they just simply cannot receive any loot instead of screwing over the entire party if they join.

Would also like to mention, this would also be beneficial to other groups due to having people join their groups who already know the content. Which = a more active Party finder.

[Taika]

It's probably because SE doesn't want to encourage people to sell more runs and they also don't want people to gear that fast. Otherwise you could have 7 people selling 2 chest runs for endless amounts of people, and everyone being (theoretically) able to lot 2 chests from every single floor every single week.

[s3riot]

I guess that's true. For the selling runs thing. It's still being done though, I can count at least 2 "Selling o5s-o8s runs, etc" party finders right now.
EDIT:: there is ways around it though instead of making it so ALL 8 people have to be fresh... even if they only allowed say 2 people who have already completed it, or even 4. If half the group completed it already, and it still offered 2 chests, that would still limit the selling of runs the same way.

[Taika]

I guess that's true. For the selling runs thing. It's still being done though, I can count at least 2 "Selling o5s-o8s runs, etc" party finders right now.

Yes, it's being done, but imagine if those people could keep selling 2 chest runs without any limits without needing characters who haven't cleared it for the week.

[s3riot]

Yes, it's being done, but imagine if those people could keep selling 2 chest runs without any limits without needing characters who haven't cleared it for the week.

Yes, but like i put on my previous post, I made an edit. Even if they allowed 4 fresh 4 non-fresh with 2 chests, it would still do the same thing. No one is going to buy a run with only 4 players selling it.

[KDSilver]

You don't adjust savage because of people selling it.
They do what they, what they want, and interested people as well.

People who want to clear on their own will still do, such as those who prefer paying.
Yes they would do it more and so what ? Interested people to buy savage won't suddently increase by 50% if they changed that.

Besides, you can't just lock this sytem because of only few who sell the content while there are plenty of players who'd happily join savage group to help them or even train more.
Also, there are several new players who don't even really know about that and screw one chest to other people while that's not what they wished.

They don't even have to lock it completely. I mean, if they really want to prevent things like selling or people being able to have free loot for themselves, they could at least let 1 or 2 people joining.

1-2 already cleared = 2 chest
2-6 = 1 chest
7-8 = 0.

This system is stupid. It prevents people who want to do content they like to either match with people in the same situation as them, or helping their friend or random group.
It doesn't work well on the community scenario, especialy for "gear" that will be oudated and transformed into gc seals or for glamour anyway few month after.

If savage gear would still be valuable I would understand this choice. But it's not.
And people who definitly need to get gear fast already have found a way to do it.
Besides, you still have tomestone and crafted gear if that's what you need to clear savage content so...

[s3riot]

You don't adjust savage because of people selling it.
They do what they, what they want, and interested people as well.

People who want to clear on their own will still do, such as those who prefer paying.
Yes they would do it more and so what ? Interested people to buy savage won't suddently increase by 50% if they changed that.

This system is stupid. It prevents people who want to do content they like to either match with people in the same situation as them, or helping their friend or random group.

Agreed. The current system makes absolutely no sense. Like you said, if they just allowed even 2 people to join a group who have already completed it, I would be happy. Honestly, not sure who at SE came up with this idea but its kinda ridiculous.

[KDSilver]

I totally know how it feels.

I have my own static outside of my fc, we go in raid regulary.
My FC does some savage content more casually when they can, so for training it's okay, but if we're about to clear, they get one chest away because of me (and that's suck because since they do less savage than me, they need the gear more than I do).
And sometimes, I even have good in game friends who ask for my help, but always the same "meh, sorry, the party wants 2 chest".

There are so many times I could have helped people I personnaly know but couldn't because of that system.
For my FC, I have an alt character (but no even well geared for the current patch unfortunately).

Anyways, at least the 1-2 people clear not screwing up the chest would at least be nice for situation like this.

It arbitrary only allow you to do it once per week for ONLY one group.
We can't blame people for wanting to get their chest since it's weekly...
This is just a bad choice for the raid community.

[swiss_Momo]

this loot system that *kupo*s you over unless you intend to only ever raid once in a week with a static is one of the many reasons why I'm not interested in raiding

[DrWho2010]

they need to drag it out as long as possible until the next patch and then they unlock it for everyone. otherwise everyone just gets carried and gets all their gear right away and then everyone unsubs until the next major raid tier.